Is it too early for my HVX v2 wish list?

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FullRez

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Who knows if any of this gets back to Panasonic but I don't think the next step should be more res. Since it seems a huge market for this camera is film making, lets get this whole 35mm lens issue resolved along with some other important items.

Take note of the new Sony HD camera that uses a single CMOS chip. Here is a little background about CMOS: http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/CMOS-Chip-Camcorder-is-a-First-for-Industry.htm

The new Airr HD camera uses a single "Super" 35mm sized CMOS sensor. Obviously this is just a normal 35mm film frame sized CMOS but since sound tracks are not taking up part of the negative they are calling it Super 35. What is interesting about this is that my Canon 5D 35mm digital SLR camera uses a 35mm full frame CMOS chip. The low light ability is out of control good and obviously I get true 35mm DOF and lens use. Oh, not to mention that my camera is 12.8 megapixels (4368 x 2912).

So where am I going with this? Doesn't it seem that there is just one little piece missing? I would imagine with a little tweaking we could get this Canon CMOS to do 24fps, 60fps, etc. (especially by lowering the 4368 x 2912 resolution. I'm no engineer but obviously Arri has already figured it out (I wonder who is manufacturing their CMOS). Sony has started a new CMOS factory, Canon makes the one in my SLR.

So Panasonic - Connect the dots, your revolutionary camera is right in front of you and it doesn't even need to cost much.

Thoughts?
 
There are already other threads discussing this. You should do a search and read what others have said there. I thnk there was one in the Red Camera forum.


Also the cameras you list like the Arri which is something like 100,000 dollars are a bit out of the price range of the HVX. Neither of us are engineers but there is probably a good reason no under $10,000 pro HD video camera has a Super 35mm CMOS sensor.
 
There are far more reasons of why the Arri is 100K than the chip. My Canon 5D SLR was around 3K. Being conservative, are you telling me the cost to make a chip like the 5D for a video camera is 50K per unit or evein 10K per unit. Hardly.

I've put this in this thread as I'd like to see more attention from Panasonic put into other aspects of this camera. Seems we have made the tapless tech jump now we need to address other aspects of the camera.
 
Using a Super 35mm CMOS to take still photos is not the same thing as using a CMOS to capture variable frame rate-video, but you know this, I think you're just underestimating the engineering and R&D costs that would go into designing such a feature. But maybe i'm wrong.

Once again check the other threads and see what others have had to say on the argument.
 
The D20 has been in development for 5+ years and it still is not ready for prime time.
The read out and data management for a chip this size is staggering. The pipeline alone for this kind of data rate is almost a Gig a second. Your 5D can barely do 3 frames a sec. and then for only thirty of so frames. The Red camera is looking into this exact approach, but if it was so easy to do then Arri and Panavision would have them all over the place.
 
Of course. I completely agree with the data rate and read out being a problem. However, we don't need 4K. Assuming we keep the full size CMOS sensor and downgrade it to 1-2 K of resolution it becomes more managable.

It's just a matter of time (and money) ;)
 
I'm no engineer, but I heard CMOS or CCDs sensors can handle very high framerates without a problem. The bottleneck would be the DSP converting the raw information into recordable data.

I believe Barry mentioned a CCD than can handle up to 1000 fps @1080p.

Time will tell. In a few months we'll propably learn what the RED camera will cost.
 
FullRez said:
Of course. I completely agree with the data rate and read out being a problem. However, we don't need 4K. Assuming we keep the full size CMOS sensor and downgrade it to 1-2 K of resolution it becomes more managable.

It's just a matter of time (and money) ;)
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I completely agree with you. If there are already cheap still cameras doing VGA movies there should be no problem to tweak that out of a 35mm chip. 1-2 K resolution would be the next step ahead and should be within reach in the early future.
 
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