is it the end of HVX/DVXuser as we know it

is it the end of HVX/DVXuser as we know it

  • HVX/HPX is better then a DSLR overall?

    Votes: 32 84.2%

  • DSLR based HD cameras are better then a HVX/HPX overall

    Votes: 6 15.8%
  • Total voters
    38
FREUDENBERG_FILMS

FREUDENBERG_FILMS

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I can not believe how many people are now on the Panasonic GH1 forum.....

last count was:

Panasonic GH1 (132 Viewing)

HVX200/HPX170 (12 Viewing)

I can sense a huge shift away from the HVX/HPX and more into the DSLR market.

And hey why wouldn't you. The GH1 is a cheaper camera for the image it gives.

What are your thoughts?

Is the HVX/HPX going the way of the Do Do?
 
There is one constant in technology, and that is change. The forum has, for as long as I can remember, been a place where technology is much-discussed.

My personal vision for what I'd like DVXUser to be has always skewed toward learning how to tell incredible stories through cinematography. To do that, it is important that we understand the technologies as they move forward. But it would be better to focus on using Camera-X as masters like Kovacs, Hall or Storaros did (to better effect) with the relatively primitive equipment they had available to them in their time.

I get really excited when filmmakers do their jobs properly - as Shahinian's City of Lakes literally took the wedding video format to the level of art.

In a few short months, the AF100 will be here. And it promises to be something special. But it is simply another Camera-X in a long line of promising technologies. As filmmakers, we need to focus on telling stories with whatever is at-hand instead of focusing so much energy arguing or salivating over what technology is in our hands at the moment.
 
FREUDENBERG_FILMS said:
I can sense a huge shift away from the HVX/HPX and more into the DSLR market.
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Erik Olson said:
There is one constant in technology, and that is change. The forum has, for as long as I can remember, been a place where technology is much-discussed.

My personal vision for what I'd like DVXUser to be has always skewed toward learning how to tell incredible stories through cinematography. To do that, it is important that we understand the technologies as they move forward. But it would be better to focus on using Camera-X as masters like Kovacs, Hall or Storaros did (to better effect) with the relatively primitive equipment they had available to them in their time.

I get really excited when filmmakers do their jobs properly - as Shahinian's City of Lakes literally took the wedding video format to the level of art.

In a few short months, the AF100 will be here. And it promises to be something special. But it is simply another Camera-X in a long line of promising technologies. As filmmakers, we need to focus on telling stories with whatever is at-hand instead of focusing so much energy arguing or salivating over what technology is in our hands at the moment.
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Absolutely. Practice the ART first. Know the technology, don't be obsessed with it. Be obsessed with what's in front of your camera, not in it.

There are so many cameras which will do such a great job, arguing over them and lamenting the "obsolescence" of another are fool's errands. Concentrate on making spectacular pictures, not pixel-counting.

The principles of good image-making are the same no matter what camera you're using. Go shoot.
 
FREUDENBERG_FILMS said:
Is the HVX/HPX going the way of the Do Do?
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No, a dSlr can do stuff the "normal" camcorders can't(without extra gear) and camcorders such as the hvx and all the way up to hpx3700 has a lot to offer that no dlsr can match.

I will be adding a 550d to my kit and maybe a hpx171 in the autumn, none is meant to replace my Hpx500 as main workhorse, but to complement it.

Technology is something that's easy to get obsessed with. It's good to know a lot of whats going on inside the camera, but as pointet out by others what's in front matters most. By knowing what goes on inside though you are able to choose the right tool, which might be a dslr one day and a hpx3000 the next, or even a 170.
 
Is the HVX/HPX going the way of the dodo? Because of a DSLR? No, but because of the AF100, maybe.

As Christian said, there are still many things that a camcorder can do that a DSLR can't, and probably won't, ever be able to do -- including such simple but necessary tasks as power zoom, monitoring audio, connecting professional audio, variable frame rates, proper live monitoring, and on and on.

But when the AF100 arrives, it'll do pretty much everything the HVX and HPX170 do, in a smaller form factor, but with sharper images and interchangeable lenses and shallow DOF, so basically everything the HVX, HPX, and DSLR all do, all together in one unit (except stills!). For those wanting to make filmish images, I would expect that the AF100 would outsell the HVX/HPX170 by a factor of 10 to 1. But for those wanting to shoot live events, news, or sports, I would expect the HVX/HPX170 to outsell the AF100 by 100 to 1.

So the big question is: which is the bigger market - filmic images, or news/events/eng? Answer that question, and you'll know which one (if any) will head the way of the do do.
 
AF100?

sounds interesting I'll have to google this one Barry.

Oh I totally agree. It's not the camera but what your shooting. An e.g of this was Lucasfilm was not too long ago looking at the Canon 5DmkII and the Canon 7D for all the cockpit footage for George Lucas new movie about the Tuskegee airmen "Red tails". They didn't care about codecs, compression and so on just the final image.

here's a nice read if you have the time http://philipbloom.net/2009/12/12/skywalker/

I for one think they both have strengths and weaknesses. Actually I think using both cameras could be an advantage in so many ways as long as the footage edits well together.

Still a little blown away on how dead the hvx forum is quiet but the GH1 seems to have taker off...... :0(
 
As Barry said though, the AF100 will most likely outsell the Hpx170/hvx200 for the filmic style productions by miles. At the same time for events, news and sports the hpx170/hvx200 will still be selling in good numbers. The AF100 has a few massive advantages over a dSlr with video capability. Sensor optimized for video, Xlr input for proper audio and Hd-SDI out. I would love to see P2 and Avc-i capability onboard, but that would probably have moved the price up quite a bit...
 
Since I joined dvxuser, the forums have changed constantly as the cameras and tech move forward. What a great thing. What hasnt changed is this great resource known as DVXuser.
 
DVXuser was/is a forum for progressive video and filmlook. And both progressive video and filmlook is here to stay.
 
Actually DVXUser was devoted to the DVX100 because at the time it was the only camera that did what it did. Over time it became more 24p/filmlook oriented, because when it was first started half the site thought it was impossible to get a filmlook from video even at 24p, even though they had seen the footage. Then HDV came into play thanks to JVC's pioneering and from there it's been about who can do the best 24p HD, now it's who can get the best 24p/HD with DOF, next it will probably be the best 24p HD with 3D DOF and eventually the best 24p Virtual Reality.

-Nate
 
Well, if you want to know what DVXUser is devoted to, it's devoted to the "user". We are here to support, inform, educate, and be a resource for each other, as filmmakers and video shooters. The equipment is and has been a large part of that, but that's not what our focus is on.

Nathyn's right, when we started out it was all about the DVX because the DVX was the only game in town. The DVX was the revolution. It was the first 24p camera people could buy, and so it attracted every filmmaker and aspiring filmmaker around. In 2003, to be a video "filmmaker" was to be a DVX100 user, so we started out as DVXuser.

I wish I was around to see the boards right before the HVX200 dropped. I know it was crazy.
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You have no idea. It was insane. Imagine all the pent-up DSLR demand, but all targeted towards one product. 24p, variable frame rates, the first 1080/24p camera, solid state recording, a professional codec, and the famous "Panasonic mojo" -- the HVX200 forum was *insane* for about 9 straight months. The only thing I've ever seen like it, was when the Red One was about to be released.

Let's put it another way -- look at the AF100. Now imagine no DSLR with video existed, yet Panasonic announced the AF100. Can you imagine the frenzy? That's what it was like. It was pretty awesome.
 
David Jimerson said:
Absolutely. Practice the ART first. Know the technology, don't be obsessed with it. Be obsessed with what's in front of your camera, not in it.

There are so many cameras which will do such a great job, arguing over them and lamenting the "obsolescence" of another are fool's errands. Concentrate on making spectacular pictures, not pixel-counting.

The principles of good image-making are the same no matter what camera you're using. Go shoot.
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Your preaching to the choir dave,i share and express a similar opinion to many of the younger guys that i come across who mention wanting to become cinematographers.nice topic.
 
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