Is 3D just a fad?

Jon Starr

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Is it really just a "fad?" I've heard this many times. "It's a gimmick", "it's to make money", "it'll die out just like it has many times before." Whether it's in the Avatar thread, or in the many other 3D movie threads.

But what if it's really the way of the future? A big claim, I know, but let's look at the facts. Way back when film first came about, it was simple, it had very few cuts, if at all, and was simply black and white. Most importantly, it was silent (usually with some music to accompany live in theaters). A lot of technology had to develop for it to get to what it is today. Sound wasn't always perfect when it first came out. It was difficult to record things on set, and to mix, and to play it back. Things were clunky, cameras were noisy, and the technique was most likely costly (I'm assuming, though this is more of an assumption). The first film with sync sound was the Jazz Singer and that was only 1 scene in the entire film. It was first used as a "gimmick" to draw in crowds. Color was also a gimmick, as was wide screen. But now these are all norms because the technology is there, and easy to apply.

3D has had an interesting history. It has been around for a LONG time. Stereoscopy was developed in the early 1800s. In the 1950s there was a big boom in film using this technology, where simple 3D was becoming popular, and was a big 'gimmick' to draw in crowds. Then again in the 80s. Then Imax started using the technology with a lot of success, filming a lot of it's films in real 3D, with two images at slightly different angles giving real perspectives, and using polarized lenses, rather than two colors. It never left Imax, and became a norm. They've had a lot of time to help develop the technology. While still difficult to use and expensive, it's come a long way.

Now we've had yet another "age" of 3D, where some CG movies (like Pixar) really started using 3D properly, and the Dark Knight shot one scene entirely in Imax 3D. Then the big milestone had to be Avatar. I don't think anyone can argue that the technology was used improperly for the film.

Now, unfortunately, producers see the big money. They use post conversion on films that weren't shot in 3D because people are willing to pay more money for 3D films. This money-maker attitude can very easily be the death of 3D. But if it's used properly, and responsibly, it can be the way of the future. Tron used it beautifully, and I think we'll start seeing a lot of similar examples in the near future.

So what do you think? Will it die out? Is it really a fad? Or will it become a norm like color, sound and wide screen?
 
They...all the companies invested in it.... certainly hope it's not a fad this time around! I for one could care less about it. Maybe it's good for action blockbusters and animation...but in other types of films it actually could detract from the story. The last movie I went to that was 3D ...Alice in Wonderland..it was just distracting and gave me a freaking headache. High Def TV is simply better than SD. 3D though is not something technically superior, it's just a totally different experience that THEY hope catches on. I see it being popular among gamers though..it actually seems to fit better with an interactive application.
 
God I hope it's just a fad. Monster movies in 3D, awesome idea. Everything in 3D? No thank you. Until they can do 3D without glasses I don't need it.
 
I still think it's a fad. The problem with 3-D, unlike something like sound, say, is that 3-D does not add anything new to the same film in 2-D. Except for making it dimmer, of course. But there's no new information there. It's an added layer of nothing on a film whose only goal is novelty. Sound gives a whole new dimension to film, drastically altering and improving the experience. Whole new arts were born.

Sound completely transformed the business within a decade. The basic experience of watching a 3-D movie is the same as it was in the 50s: dorky glasses that make some peoples' heads hurt. I still say that if it was really going to become a part of cinema on a mass scale, they would have already perfected it in the half-century they've already had to perfect it.

I think it will be around for a while for spectacle-type things, but even then I think the audience will grow tired of paying way too much for a movie just for the 3-D.
 
I don't particularly like 3D all that much, but I don't understand a lot of the groaning over it. As long as they continue to release films in both 3D and 2D, we have options. The people who hate it presumably wouldn't watch it anyway. So why would they have any stake in whether it's available for anyone else to enjoy?

It's only a fad when it stops making money. In today's economy, every extra bit helps the studios. 3D seems to do especially well in the children's market. And when you have a 3 to 4 member family paying a premium for 3D on a film that would have been a hit anyway, doesn't seem like it'll be declared a fad any time soon.
 
I saw my first 3D movie tonight at the theater. It was Tron Legacy. i al so saw Tron 5 nights ago in 2D. Personally, I liked the 2D much better. I do like the idea of 3D, but when it gets to a point where its not hard on your eyes and you don't need glasses, it will be cool. I felt like my eyes were constantly re-focusing on certain parts of the movie and my eyes really felt tired after the movie. I think there are some cool effects with it, but it really was kind of a novelty thing. I would say normally that it's a fad, but unfortunately I don't fel the manufacturers really have much more to push onto the consumer than 3D at this point. Everything is digital now. Everything is HD now. In the last 20 years, people would upgrade and upgrade, but if you have purchased a decent TV in the last few years, unless it goes out, why do you need to purchase a new TV? Before it was the digital change or a higher resolution but now I think things are really starting to level off. Its going to be interesting to see in the next few years what happens in the sales of new TVs because quite frankly, there's no reason to go out and replace your few year old set anymore unless syou want 3D and not everyone does. I think the thinner LEDs are cool too, but most people could care less. It will be interesting for sure.
 
Notice how the advantages only apply to the studios and distributors, and the disadvantages apply to the consumers.

The advantages are:
* Higher revenues
* Harder to bootleg (no point in sneaking camcorders into a 3D movie)
* Something more to sell at theaters that consumers don't have at home

The disadvantages are:
* Ticket prices are ridiculous.
* Most cities are smaller cities where you actually can't choose between 2D and 3D.
* It doesn't work for everybody, in fact, a lot of people feels discomfort.
* After 10-15 minutes your mind adjusts and you forget about the 3D effect. When it's there and you notice it, you're reminded you're watching a movie. When you don't notice it you're paying a lot extra for nothing.
* Any shot where you're looking more at the background (because it's got a 3D effect) than what the camera is focusing on is a bad shot. This goes for all 3D shots because that's the main purpose of 3D. To focus on background instead of foreground. It doesn't matter if it's a closeup of a person talking with a 3D background or a small spaceship in the middle of a huge space battle. Your eyes are not looking at the face or the small fighter, it's looking at the surroundings and you're thinking "wow this is a cool 3D effect" instead of listening to what the guy says or watching what happens to the small spaceship. 3D in your peripheral vision doesn't work.

I agree gaming is different though. Interactive gameplay keeps you invested and stuff flying at you in 3D might actually help the experience there.
 
OK in small doses at the theatres, but you can kiss my ass if you think I'm ever getting a TV set at home with 3D glasses.

Harris is right, wearing those glasses makes everything "dimmer".
 
I have mixed fellings on it. Every 3d film I have seen, which is only about half dozen give er take only had a few shots in each film that actually reminded me im watching a 3d film. Otherwise it was MEH,,, big deal. Nowgive me an aspirin I have a freakin migraine.

My guess is it's just a new marketing ploy to bring something different than the norm. Something to get people to spend money they don't have. If this does catch on, I would invest in the companies that make the glasses, cause I know for fact people lose and scratch glasses left and right. And if you need glasses to watch the tv then they will sale like crazy.

Although, I havent looked into to it, but if the tv's had a switch to make them in 3d mode, where one tv could do both 3d and regular tv (maybe they do already have this, I dont know) Then I guess the investment wouldn't be as bad. As for 3d filmmaking, at this point it's not for me.


Oh, and does anyone else remember the 3d comic books??
 
Interesting points. I guess as someone who doesn't get headaches from 3D, and who prefers the 3D version over the 2D (as long as it was shot in 3D), I'd like it to find it's own place in cinema. I still remember being a young kid and waiting in line in anticipation to see some sciency film from Imax shot in 3D. I thought it was the coolest thing in the world, and seeing it never disappointed. I always wanted to see regular films in 3D.

They...all the companies invested in it.... certainly hope it's not a fad this time around! I for one could care less about it. Maybe it's good for action blockbusters and animation...but in other types of films it actually could detract from the story. The last movie I went to that was 3D ...Alice in Wonderland..it was just distracting and gave me a freaking headache. High Def TV is simply better than SD. 3D though is not something technically superior, it's just a totally different experience that THEY hope catches on. I see it being popular among gamers though..it actually seems to fit better with an interactive application.

Mind you Alice and Wonderland was not shot in 3D. It was post. I remember seeing it as well, being the first post conversion 3D movie I'd seen, and it was aweful. This is what I hear mostly from non-filmmaker friends. "I like Avatar and all, but I saw other movies in 3D and they were aweful, like Alice in Wonderland/Clash of the Titans." But these two films were great examples of aweful 3D, only post-converted afterwards to try and make a few more bucks. It's when it's an afterthought that it detracts from the story IMO.

However it's a great point that it's a great idea for games.

Notice how the advantages only apply to the studios and distributors, and the disadvantages apply to the consumers.

The advantages are:
* Higher revenues
* Harder to bootleg (no point in sneaking camcorders into a 3D movie)
* Something more to sell at theaters that consumers don't have at home

The disadvantages are:
* Ticket prices are ridiculous.
* Most cities are smaller cities where you actually can't choose between 2D and 3D.
* It doesn't work for everybody, in fact, a lot of people feels discomfort.
* After 10-15 minutes your mind adjusts and you forget about the 3D effect. When it's there and you notice it, you're reminded you're watching a movie. When you don't notice it you're paying a lot extra for nothing.
* Any shot where you're looking more at the background (because it's got a 3D effect) than what the camera is focusing on is a bad shot. This goes for all 3D shots because that's the main purpose of 3D. To focus on background instead of foreground. It doesn't matter if it's a closeup of a person talking with a 3D background or a small spaceship in the middle of a huge space battle. Your eyes are not looking at the face or the small fighter, it's looking at the surroundings and you're thinking "wow this is a cool 3D effect" instead of listening to what the guy says or watching what happens to the small spaceship. 3D in your peripheral vision doesn't work.

I agree gaming is different though. Interactive gameplay keeps you invested and stuff flying at you in 3D might actually help the experience there.

It seems you're definitely on the other side of the spectrum Jawa. Especially since the only advantages you put are ones for the businessmen. But a lot of consumers like 3D if it's done right (look at the people that go to see it). I for one see it as an advantage (when done right), because it adds a new dimension of realism and interactivity, it makes great visuals even more wonderful to look at, and it helps people immerse themselves into fictional worlds even more. But I guess it's all just a matter of perspective.

Also not really sure what you mean by the background thing. I've never done that. I usually focus where the focus is meant to be. I wasn't watching TRON only looking at the background.

For me the only disadvantages are that some people get headaches from them, and that you have to wear glasses. Though I don't know anyone that gets headaches from them (I think I know maybe one person). Is it really that common?

I still think it's a fad. The problem with 3-D, unlike something like sound, say, is that 3-D does not add anything new to the same film in 2-D. Except for making it dimmer, of course. But there's no new information there. It's an added layer of nothing on a film whose only goal is novelty. Sound gives a whole new dimension to film, drastically altering and improving the experience. Whole new arts were born.

Sound completely transformed the business within a decade. The basic experience of watching a 3-D movie is the same as it was in the 50s: dorky glasses that make some peoples' heads hurt. I still say that if it was really going to become a part of cinema on a mass scale, they would have already perfected it in the half-century they've already had to perfect it.

I think it will be around for a while for spectacle-type things, but even then I think the audience will grow tired of paying way too much for a movie just for the 3-D.

Really good points.

But does it really add nothing to the film? Perhaps it's not on the same level as sound, but it does add a new dimension to the film. I can't imagine having watched Avatar or How to Train your Dragon in 2D. Okay I could have imagined it, but I certainly wouldn't have gotten the same effect out of it. Part of the experience, if not all, was that it was shot in 3D. I wouldn't have seen Avatar twice were it not for 3D. If it was 2D I would have seen it only once and said it was a mediocre movie. So for Avatar IMO 3D really added something new to the film. It didn't make it movie of the year, but it made it and experience.

I got this feeling with Tron as well. While some parts of the film I didn't feel like I was watching 3D (of what was shot in 3D), when it got to the large landscapes, and the kenetic action, I really felt like it added something for me. For me it added a new dimension (no pun intended).
 
I can't imagine having watched Avatar or How to Train your Dragon in 2D. Okay I could have imagined it, but I certainly wouldn't have gotten the same effect out of it. Part of the experience, if not all, was that it was shot in 3D. I wouldn't have seen Avatar twice were it not for 3D. If it was 2D I would have seen it only once and said it was a mediocre movie.
I've seen Avatar twice. First time at a preview screening before the world premiere at my favorite cinema in the world with one of the best movie crowds on the planet, second time in a regular theater.
First time was obviously in 3D. I kept wishing I could see it in 2D instead.
Second time, I tried to get into a 2D screening, but there were so few of them and I didn't want to wait around for three hours so I coughed up the extra 3 or 4 bucks and saw it in 3D instead. Again, throughout the film I just wished I could have seen it in 2D.

Movies are about storytelling. If I want a tech show I'll go to CES.
 
I hate 3d ...was totally useless in tron ...enjoyed it in Resident evil but would love to have seen it in Black Swan :zombie_smiley: !
 
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* Harder to bootleg (no point in sneaking camcorders into a 3D movie)

Not on planet Earth ...bootlegs look like SH*T :) I havent seen any yet but I seriously doubt it wil stop bootleggees from bootlegging 3d movies .

If Madonna starts to make more movies then we would see a decrease in Bootlegging.

Love your music Madonna !
 
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I've seen Avatar twice. First time at a preview screening before the world premiere at my favorite cinema in the world with one of the best movie crowds on the planet, second time in a regular theater.
First time was obviously in 3D. I kept wishing I could see it in 2D instead.
Second time, I tried to get into a 2D screening, but there were so few of them and I didn't want to wait around for three hours so I coughed up the extra 3 or 4 bucks and saw it in 3D instead. Again, throughout the film I just wished I could have seen it in 2D.

Movies are about storytelling. If I want a tech show I'll go to CES.

You seem to be an avid hater of 3d from what I can tell from this and other threads. Me personally I'm half half, I'm only trying to weight in on the other side that's not often heard on these boards.

But can I ask you why exactly you hate it? Do you get headaches from it? Do you feel it's pointless and too much? What if ticket prices were the same?

Basically why would you rather have seen it in 2D rather than 3D? Some people here are claiming it adds nothing to the story. If that's the case why is it bad in 3D? Or did 3D detract from the story for Avatar for you?

Personally Avatar wouldn't have been worth watching for me if it weren't for the 3D. I've also heard a lot of praise for the 3D in Avatar.
 
3-d will be around for quite some time because, as was stated before, it's in the studios best interest. Piracy has been a big problem for the industry and this (3-d) seems like an effective way to combat it.
 
You seem to be an avid hater of 3d from what I can tell from this and other threads. Me personally I'm half half, I'm only trying to weight in on the other side that's not often heard on these boards.

But can I ask you why exactly you hate it? Do you get headaches from it? Do you feel it's pointless and too much? What if ticket prices were the same?

Basically why would you rather have seen it in 2D rather than 3D? Some people here are claiming it adds nothing to the story. If that's the case why is it bad in 3D? Or did 3D detract from the story for Avatar for you?

Personally Avatar wouldn't have been worth watching for me if it weren't for the 3D. I've also heard a lot of praise for the 3D in Avatar.

I think you have some good points about different types of movies being good for it and I agree, SCI FI, ACTION, PIXAR and DISNEY seem to be the best for it....maybe HORROR
But DRAMA, ROMANTIC COMEDIES, COMEDIES, CHARACTER STUDIES ...I don't think benefit at all.

Matrix re issue in 3D - would be cool
Fargo re issue in 3D - no thanks.....the COEN BROS don't NEED 3D
 
I think the challenge is do you view 3D cinema like SDOF... a creative technique or a medium in itself?

I like the concept of selective 3D for major action motion pictures, game rides, individual hand-held devices not requiring glasses, gaming,
etc but having seen both Tron 3D and Avatar 3D in IMAX, preferred Tron because I could still watch it with my glasses off half the time
and didn't have the same eyestrain issues that I did with Avatar...

1. Majority of people I have spoken with do not want to wear the glasses at home, and will tolerate it occasionally at theaters though only to justify the added expense.
Most people do not like the pseudo 2.5D pop-up effect and I agree, either immersive 3D or none at all...

2. I have asked select corporate clients (not film studios) if they'd be interesting in paying more for 3D content, and all said no... so ultimately they'll determine when it is right timing for me...

I'd love to shoot projects in 3D, but understand the objections and will likely do so only out of personal interest instead of any real market demand for 3D content...

Ultimately, I think the biggest hurdle to 3D is getting all manufacturers to agree on a glasses-free home 3D standard and getting consumer camcorders that conform to that standard.
If DVD and Blu-ray adoption was any indication, I'd say 3D has at least a long 5 yr road ahead of it before becoming accepted as glasses-free in-home technology worth upgrading to...
 
I hope it is a fad. I have worked on three 3D films and it is like making two films at once and there are a lot of headaches to make it work properly without the audience getting dizzy. I also worked on Tron and of all of my 70 plus films, it is the one of which I am most proud. Whether you can see it in the theatre or not, the art direction and the CG heads were amazing. Tough film to make but a good ride. I think the subtle 3D effect could have been pushed a bit harder. I also thought Avatar was brilliant. No, I won't buy a 3D TV.
 
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