iPhone Cinematography

[CharlesPapert]

Try doing cinematography without a camera. How far you gonna get?

I translate your comments as: "Driving isn't about cars, that is just a tiny part." or "Archery isn't about bows and arrows, that is just a tiny part."
I think you are just trolling us now. I won't waste further time on this.

I'll try once more on my end then I'll join you, Doug.

Publimix, how about this: the CHOICE of camera is a tiny part of the craft of cinematography. Not saying I agree completely but I'm trying to reframe your assertion.

I can look at narrative material I shot on DV cameras 20 years ago that have nice lighting, camera movement, decent choices. It's good for what it is, or more accurately, was. But it's hardly going to sway anyone into thinking it's great cinematography, because the image from that camera is frankly lacking. Had we had had the budget to shoot on film, it would have looked much better. And if I could send an Alexa into a time machine back to that set, same thing.

The gap has really closed in recent years and amazing images can be produced by ever cheaper cameras. The idea that the camera we carry in our pocket (and make phone calls on) can capture images that could be successfully cut against high end cameras is astonishing. So, the specific choice of camera is becoming less critical to the overall result. But there are still plenty of attributes related to the camera that are an integral part of the craft of cinematography, so to cast the wide net of "cinematography isn't about cameras, that is just a tiny part" is oversimplifying and unclear reasoning.

 

[Takumarr]

Hello NorBro My emphasis is not on the 10-bit movie and I may have written it wrongly in the translation.
But as for your question, there are many ways to improve video on mobile, there are also many video styles, those who are looking for flashy commercial video and surprise are mostly in advertising and the path that started with cmos technology, sometimes A flashy movie with a small Indian would surprise you, but the movie's goals are not the only competition of pixels, if in one field the iPhone 12 can beat the canon xf300, but it can't in other fields.


So what are you looking for now? A good video, a serious work, a serial documentary, or a little fun and surprise?
depended each satuation difrent tool maybe use a iphon!

Apple was one of the video and film developers and can use this feature in its expensive phones.

I say again that I don't know what an iPhone 15 is, but for a serious job, I'd rather go for a lumix g7 than an advanced iPhone...

 

[Doug Jensen]

I'll try once more on my end then I'll join you, Doug..

Yeah, come out to the lobby and have a drink. I'm buying.

 

[Takumarr]

I'll try once more on my end then I'll join you, Doug.

Publimix, how about this: the CHOICE of camera is a tiny part of the craft of cinematography. Not saying I agree completely but I'm trying to reframe your assertion.

I can look at narrative material I shot on DV cameras 20 years ago that have nice lighting, camera movement, decent choices. It's good for what it is, or more accurately, was. But it's hardly going to sway anyone into thinking it's great cinematography, because the image from that camera is frankly lacking. Had we had had the budget to shoot on film, it would have looked much better. And if I could send an Alexa into a time machine back to that set, same thing.

The gap has really closed in recent years and amazing images can be produced by ever cheaper cameras. The idea that the camera we carry in our pocket (and make phone calls on) can capture images that could be successfully cut against high end cameras is astonishing. So, the specific choice of camera is becoming less critical to the overall result. But there are still plenty of attributes related to the camera that are an integral part of the craft of cinematography, so to cast the wide net of "cinematography isn't about cameras, that is just a tiny part" is oversimplifying and unclear reasoning.

As you said, the problem of the videographer is similar to that of a professional, a magician knows the working conditions, with a dvx camera, good images have been seen, but only in the specific conditions of that video.

If a company wants to put high features in a compact camera, which will surprise you, it can. On the other hand, a magician's videographer can show it at the highest level, the Sony rx100 is an example of this, but has anyone finished a movie with it?

This gap you mentioned started with cmos technology that allowed a camera to be incredibly light and small, and record 200mbps video...and it created challenges in comparisons

 

[kerrigan]

I've now connected with a few other individuals from various groups who share an interest in delving deeper into the iPhone 15 PRO.
Our goal is to focus our efforts exclusively on two subjects: how to capture the best images with the phone and exploring rigging options.
We plan to establish two primary platforms:
1. Discussions - Facebook Group: "iPhone Cinematography"
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1719230818546493

2. Resources and Information Website:
https://iphone-cinematography.com

 

[ahalpert]

https://www.newsshooter.com/2023/11...m_medium=rss&utm_campaign=edelkrone-phoneclip

Edelkrone phoneclip, a combination phone holder / phone stand

 

[kerrigan]

iPhone 15 Pro Max Cinematic Lowlight

https://youtu.be/VRkTZHNFmUA?si=q3DDoslm_BSigYJo

 

[ahalpert]

Dear me. It's a ground glass adapter for using full frame lenses with your iPhone. While that might defeat the purpose of using a phone, I could see this making sense for an interview set-up while a person uses the bare phone for run and gun

https://nofilmschool.com/beastgrip-dof-adapter-mk3

 

[kerrigan]

This week I started iphone-cinematography.com. When I find something of interest I store it there.

If you're interested in the subject, please have a look. I'd love feedback.
iphone-cinematography.com

 

[Doug Jensen]

We really seem to have entered an era where people love to waste time trying to pound square pegs into round holes. Just get a camera that meets 99% of your needs out-of-the-box and get to work doing something productive with it . . . anything with it. If people spent half has much time actually using the right tool or the right job they'd have the money to buy the next right tool for the right job instead of always jury rigging some bastardized rig that will never be a good substitute for the real thing. I don't get it.

 

[kerrigan]

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[Doug Jensen]

X

 

[kerrigan]

Sorry, deleted my initial post. Upon reflection, I realize that about half of it may have been an exaggeration. When I take a step back and assess myself, I acknowledge that part of my enthusiasm stems from the joy of experimenting with new gear.

 

[Doug Jensen]

Sorry, deleted my initial post. Upon reflection, I realize that about half of it may have been an exaggeration. When I take a step back and assess myself, I acknowledge that part of my enthusiasm stems from the joy of experimenting with new gear.

Nothing wrong with eperimenting with new gear! I deleted my post too, since it quoted yours.

 

[kerrigan]

Ok, maybe this is over the top.

 

[CharlesPapert]

Ok, maybe this is over the top.

On the contrary, it's nice to see a young person using a viewfinder as they are quite unpopular at this point. And a third point of contact helps with stability. That said, I'm not sure how much you need that stability given what the phone can do to take care of that, and a non-orientable viewfinder (no tilt swivel) is very limiting for anything other than standard eye height.

 

[Doug Jensen]

On the contrary, it's nice to see a young person using a viewfinder a

I agree. But how are they going to control exposure, focus, etc. if the VF is covering the screen? Running everything on 100% automatic? If so, that is a step in the wrong direction. I think Phones are pretty good at wide-angle point-and-shoot. Beyond that, their value is questionable.

Makes me wonder how a phone would have worked on your short film, instead of the Varicam and Steadicam. What do you think?

 

[CharlesPapert]

I agree. But how are they going to control exposure, focus, etc. if the VF is covering the screen? Running everything on 100% automatic? If so, that is a step in the wrong direction. I think Phones are pretty good at wide-angle point-and-shoot. Beyond that, their value is questionable.

Makes me wonder how a phone would have worked on your short film, instead of the Varicam and Steadicam. What do you think?

Well, I shot a few rehearsals on my phone. Granted we didn't have lighting in place, but overall--negatory. On many levels. I think the phones have their place for certain types of shooting but I'm with you--by the time you dress it up with everything you need for a project that calls for it, might as well use something more purpose-built.

 

[ahalpert]

It's a rig to attach your phone to binoculars

https://petapixel.com/2023/11/20/this-new-rig-lets-you-attach-your-phone-to-binoculars/

 

[Doug Jensen]

It's a rig to attach your phone to binoculars

https://petapixel.com/2023/11/20/this-new-rig-lets-you-attach-your-phone-to-binoculars/

Just proves there's a sucker born every minute. You MIGHT be able to hold it steady enough for a crappy still photo snapshot, but there's no way in hell you could shoot quality video with something like that. BTW, there's not a single photo or video in that article that was shot through the device. That says everything you need to know.