interesting observations

TimurCivan

TimurCivan

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working with the HVX200 on a Documentary, i hooked the HVX200 up to a 20" HD monitor, and was playing with the settings in camera. one thing i noticed was that the image was SIGNIFICANTLY more..... "crisp?" when in Bpress, Norm, High and Low Gamma. When switching to CinegammaV or D, the Image went noticeable softer, and grainier. increasing the Detiail level didint seem to re claim that lost crispness. However whats interesting, is that the B-press gamma had the benefits of a crisper image without the noise associated with Cinegamma, and Increasing detail levels.

The results were great with B-Press and a Deatial level of +1.
 
Been a while since you've read Barry's book?
He goes into some detail about the different gamma settings and the trade off's between them.
 
I'm pretty much against cined gamma. It's almost always blackpress with me. cinev isn't to terrible. I Hooked up a hvx +m2 and pointed it at a stouffer wedge chart and the black press gamma with slight tweaks was definitely the cleanest and most pleasing to my eye.
 
The cine gammas definitely produce a softer image. You have to turn down the detail on b.press or others to get a smooth filmlike image, whereas with the cine gammas you can actually crank the detail up some without getting into "edgy" trouble.

Cine-D has its place, but the bitty grainy noise is most pronounced in cine-D, and cleanest in b.press or cine-V.
 
I find that cine v producess the best image for not having to do anything to it in post or not intending to do anything to it in post. It does seem to have less grain in areas and the smoothest blacks. I know B Press is supposed to be the king of blacks, but with all the tests and comparrisons I've done Cine V seems to win out.

if you look at this reel all the images with the - exception of the race car in the begining - are Cine V and raw from the camera with no color correction or digital post. Just imported and edited.

http://www.urbanrhinovisual.com.viewer.html

all the blacks are nice, clean and silky - though they are definitely softer as Barry mentioned - but more filmlike so I think its a decent trade off
 
Can anyone make any suggestions for the HVX 202 in bright sunlight with a polarising filter attached, here in OZ our sunlight even in winter is very bright. A suggested set of scene files would be much appreciated.

Jonathan
 
hey nathan,very cool your reel.
what is your combination of detail level and coring whit cinelike-V,WHEN YOU USE your camera whit redrockmicro M2??
 
Portergold said:
Can anyone make any suggestions for the HVX 202 in bright sunlight with a polarising filter attached, here in OZ our sunlight even in winter is very bright. A suggested set of scene files would be much appreciated.

Jonathan
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Portergold, if your sky is overexposing, perhaps a Graduated ND filter might make a useful addition. B+W seems to get a high rating for quality. Grad ND 0.3 or Grad ND 0.6

Grads may limit your tilt move, though often some room to pan is still possible.
 
shiny4 said:
hey nathan,very cool your reel.
what is your combination of detail level and coring whit cinelike-V,WHEN YOU USE your camera whit redrockmicro M2??
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theres 2 or 3 M2 shots in there. They were all from the first time I used it. Basically everything was at 0. Having used it more since, I've been playing with +2 on coring and detail.

Zeiss lenses has been generous enough to loan me an entire set of their f mount primes for a project that I am shooting in August. We are filming for a couple of days, but I have been given the lenses for 2 weeks. I plan on doing a couple days of testing with a detailed write up. Specifically comparing different camera settings and differences between using the Nikons I have and the Zeiss lenses I'm being loaned.
 
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