Industry Standard? Why Mac?

Yeahp. That's pretty much it! I'm glad I'm not the one distributing such things. I didn't know the chips still existed in Intel Macs, I thought it was prior to. oopsy.

Still, I bought a copy of OS X sooo. Yeah.
 
Mark Harris said:
Timur's been trying to work the word "fussbudget" into a sentence all year. I think he's just very impressed.
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It's true that one doesn't get a lot of "fussbudget" nowadays...

An awful lot of Mac-based people with whom I work, chose the Mac because

(a) It's what they were acclimitized to, during their schooling or professional training, and they're sticking with the familiar, or

(b) They think that (high-end) Macs are sufficiently cool and status-symbol-y, to offset their expense and limitations, relative to PC-type machines, or

(c) They are persuaded that PC-type systems are a swamp of disk-operating-system eccentricities and virus-vulnerabilities and driver conflicts and command prompt instructions that are basically too complicated and un-learnable to deal with, or

(d) They believe that their primary software tools run "better" in a Mac environment, than a PC-type one, or

(e) They see Macs as badges of professionalism, and don't really think of a PC-type system as something that people in their particular field ought to show up with, for a show, or

(f) some admixture of all the above. Plus, they just *like* Macs. All of which is perfectly fine and reasonable, so long as the operator is producing what needs to get produced.
 
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Kholi said:
Hype. PC hardware has surpassed Apple by far.
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Maybe, but one of the key reasons why Macs work better is that the same company is designing the hardware and the software, which allows the two to work together seamlessly.

I work on both Macs and PCs every day. Macs always have been and always will be light years ahead of PCs, regardless of the numbers on the page.
 
Eastside Parkway said:
Maybe, but one of the key reasons why Macs work better is that the same company is designing the hardware and the software, which allows the two to work together seamlessly.
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It also elbows a huge number of software and hardware developers out of the running, who would be able to offer more advanced, higher-performing products to enhance the Mac Experience, at the expense of some stability and ease-of integration. Which is certainly Mac's trade-off, to make.

As for working seamlessly...over the last couple years I have noticed Mac-using illustrator/graphic artist/set designer/art director crew-mates having to re-start their machines and un-freeze their apps and un-crash their systems much, *much* more frequently, than I have had to do with my Boxx. Maybe that's because they are pushing the envelope on file-sizes...but then, so do I. Mac-using secretaries and receptionists admittedly don't seem to have that problem.

Eastside Parkway said:
I work on both Macs and PCs every day. Macs always have been and always will be light years ahead of PCs, regardless of the numbers on the page.
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That's kind of like saying that Yugos will always be ahead of Ferarris, regardless of the numbers on the page...either you are accelerating at a certain number of Gs, or you aren't, and either you're getting a certain number of application instructions-per-second completed for your dollar, or you aren't...

If you mean to say that the 'user experience' will always be light-years ahead...well, windows-and-a-mouse is windows-and-a-mouse, no matter whose architecture lies beneath, and preferring the Mac Experience is, well, still only a preference.

Which is fine. Everybody's entitled to like what they like.

This has been out there, for a while. Most PC guys, and about maybe 10% of the Mac people I know, find it very funny.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2187719718781346355
 
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morten said:
claims that Mac somehow "inspires creativity" more than PCs is just pure nonsense. that's like saying that blue paint brushes inspire creativity in a painter more than red ones. creativity lives in the mind of the artist, not in the tools she uses. I continue being amazed at how mac addicts swallow such mac propaganda whole and spew it out whenever they get a chance without thinking about how redicuous it really is.
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I think that what they mean to say is that a Mac facilitates creativity, because Mac users spend infinitely less time noodling around with their RAM and their hard drives and their virus protection software and whatnot. Tools that work certainly inspire creativity.

My Nissan Pathfinder inspires me to go places and take trips, because it's so dependable, but my last car (a Saab) broke down so often that I didn't want to leave the house.

It's something that I didn't understand back when I was a PC user, so I certainly don't expect any other PC user to understand it. For that, I'll forgive you for calling it ridiculous. Try not to be so insulting, though.
 
"This program has performed an illegal operation and will be shut down"

Not having to see this again is enough to make me stick to Mac when it comes to doing heavy stuff like edting.

I still remember when I was a participant in a filmmaking reality show and the participant across me has to suffer crashes again and again throughout the editing process with PPro.

I was a little lucky in the sense while I did suffer from crashes, it was only a few times.

I heard the group after me got it even worse. The PC refused to start at one point.

Macs have just been the more reliable one to me. It will crash but more like once in a bluemoon thing and not everytime I use it.
 
I wonder why apple doesn't make a final cut pro for windows. Avid makes it for both and so did Adobe before apple put the screws to them.

Are they worried that if that option was available, then some people would move over to pc. I would think they would make some decent money considering there are alot of people out there like myself who already have a capable pc editor that would like to get into final cut pro.
 
Eastside Parkway said:
It's something that I didn't understand back when I was a PC user, so I certainly don't expect any other PC user to understand it. For that, I'll forgive you for calling it ridiculous. Try not to be so insulting, though.
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On the other hand, you could try not to be quite so condescending. Some (maybe most) of us, around here, use Macs as well as PCs, and simply have preferences different from yours. A preference for PCs doesn't indicate an ignorance of Macs, any more than the reverse would be true.

Reminds me of something a pilot friend said once...no woman has an ugly baby, and no pilot flies a second-rate aircraft...and yet, there are second-rate aircraft, and ugly babies.

Once you move beyond performance-specs-for-the-dollar, it's all a matter of preference.

cecil995 said:
I wonder why apple doesn't make a final cut pro for windows. Avid makes it for both and so did Adobe before apple put the screws to them.

Are they worried that if that option was available, then some people would move over to pc.
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Not worried. Terrified.
 
For all of you wishing to install OS X on your PC, you might want to look at the EULA. Last time I checked it prohibits installation on non-Mac hardware.

Anyway, I wanted to take a moment to bring up a usually-forgotten contender in this battle: GNU/Linux.

Most flavors of Linux have better hardware support than MacOS, and unlike OS X, are free (as in freedom).

PC hardware with GNU/Linux loaded is the best combo for me. Unfortunately, commercial software support for Linux doesn't currently cover much in the video field, so I still use a PC with Windows 2000 for my editing.


As much as I'd like to see Microsoft lose market share to Apple, replacing one oppressor with another doesn't seem desirable, even if Apple isn't as bad.


So why is Mac OS "industry standard" for graphics and video work? Perhaps for the same reason that the iPod is the #1 MP3 player: most people care more about asthetics than technology when it comes to electronics.

The iPod is arguably a crappy player (proprietary battery, needs iTunes to sync, DRM, etc), but it looks cool, so people buy it. I'm betting that a good chunk of the graphic desiners that use Macs do so because they think it will improve their image to use something that is percieved as being cool.

As far as I'm concerned, any technical advantages that Macs had over PCs ended when they dropped the PowerPC CPUS. Which, by the way, are insanely fast running Linux...
 
Eastside Parkway said:
I think that what they mean to say is that a Mac facilitates creativity, because Mac users spend infinitely less time noodling around with their RAM and their hard drives and their virus protection software and whatnot. Tools that work certainly inspire creativity.

My Nissan Pathfinder inspires me to go places and take trips, because it's so dependable, but my last car (a Saab) broke down so often that I didn't want to leave the house.

It's something that I didn't understand back when I was a PC user, so I certainly don't expect any other PC user to understand it. For that, I'll forgive you for calling it ridiculous. Try not to be so insulting, though.
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I reiterate for the umpteenth time:

I've been running a custom built PC ($1300 canadian in January of 2005) witn Adobe Production Studio, Macromedia Studio and a bunch of other stuff.

- I never had any problems installing hardware or software on it
- the system has crashed twice: once because the SATA cable provided from seagate was broken, and once because I accidentally unplugged an external hard drive with my foot while capturing video

never had any virus problems - my router takes care of that
never had any driver issues
spend an avarage of maybe 1 hour every 6 months cleaning up the drives (defrag etc)
never had to "mess around with my ram" or anything else for that matter - updating ram is just as easy/hard on a pc as it is on a mac
installing new hard drives takes roughly 2 minutes and requires no setup

it never ceases to amaze me how mac users say that PCs are so difficult to deal with: they are not. well, if you buy a crappy one then sure but if you buy a quality pc you won't have any problems. it just isn't true.

my PC btw tripple boots to XP, Ubuntu and Fedora for testing purposes.

please please PLEASE don't believe everything that greasy haired guy on the mac vs pc ads says. it's not actually true.

mor10
 
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