I'm tired of the noise my HVX provides

[Spartacus]

So, what's the argument? You're upset because the 170 doesn't do what you want to do or costs more than you want to spend? Then don't buy it.

Maybe the point is just to let Panasonic know, that people are fully aware of the shortcommings of certain products and are willing to change brands due to existing or upcomming alternatives.
We all now Pana listens here.

 

[n8ture]

Then the numbers will speak for themselves.

 

[shoook]

And that is?

So many people are obsessed with the details that have nothing to do with whether or not they can shoot good footage.

You can give someone the same brush that Michelangelo used to paint the Sistine Chapel and they couldn't do diddle squat with it. Yet everyone seems to be on a quest for the holy grail of cameras as if that will somehow turn them into award winning filmmakers... If one camera isn't right for you, buy something else.

I agree with you and will be using my HPX for years to come. That being said, this still doesn't change the fact that I bought a flawed "brush."

I really like the HVX/HPX and it is true that every camera has its flaws. But the two big issues that Panasonic is facing and really hasn't done anything about are:
1) complaints about excessive noise in comparison with similarly priced cameras (the HVXa was released awhile ago now)
2) complaints about poorly priced recording media in comparison with similar cameras.

Both of these complaints are valid and growing.

 

[Barry_Green]

1) there isn't any excessive noise, the noise levels of the 170 and 200A are THE SAME and they're both extremely better than the XHA1 or HD100 series.

2) the recording media is priced exactly the same as the competing recording media (SxS). If you want cheap recording media, buy an HMC150 which uses the cheapest recording media around, generic SD cards.

 

[shoook]

I will concede that the noise is probably manageable, what really confuses me is that you and a few others talk as if your 170s are producing nearly perfectly clean images while others like Dino and Kholi are voicing a large amount of noise. So either 1) one of the groups has bad vision 2) not all hpx 170s are created equal or 3) everyone is seeing what they want to.

I read your article about cranking the coring up to 2 but besides that what other permanent in-camera settings can I adjust that will help reduce the noise so that I can match the kind of clean images you're getting from your unit?

 

[Postmaster]

My Lossfest entry will be a nightmare - lowlight and noise wise.

I want the room only lit by a christmas tree and some dimm table lamps and canldes.

So I was doing some test shots and figured out, if I crank the pedestal almost all the was up (the image looks almoslst milky) and do my curves in the post I can get away pretty noisless (compared to normal settings).

...well, of course I still got some noise, but far less than with the cined D settings or even higher gain.
I know that cineD is the noisiest setting but I like it so much I want to use it.

Have a look at the tests in my Lossfest thread (second post, first side).
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=156044

Frank

 

[Barry_Green]

you and a few others talk as if your 170s are producing nearly perfectly clean images

I posted footage to show exactly what mine is delivering. Compared to a 200 it's practically noiseless. Definitely much, much, much less noisy than an XHA1 or HD100 or original HVX200. And yes, identical in overall general noise levels to a 200A. Yes there's still some noise, just like there's still noise in an EX1 or any other camera. But *compared* to a 200 or other comparable camera, it's much much cleaner.

while others like Dino and Kholi are voicing a large amount of noise.

No, Dino had something wrong with his camera, and he now says that his camera produces the same amount of noise as a 200A. I don't know where Kholi stands at this point.

So either 1) one of the groups has bad vision 2) not all hpx 170s are created equal or 3) everyone is seeing what they want to.

Look at the footage that I posted, and draw your conclusion from that, because that's what the camera is actually delivering. If you think that footage looks noisy, then I fall into group 1 or 3.

I'm not saying there isn't the presence of some noise, as there is in all camcorders in this price bracket, and with an HPX170 the noise that is there shows up in the lower IRE levels, maybe 10 to 30. But, if you're not looking for noise and just looking at the images it produces, noise should not even be a factor. And if you ARE looking for noise, you'll find some (surprise, surprise) but it's very hard to see any noise at all in the whites to middle grays, even the mid to lower grays are very clean, it's only the darkest bands where you can find any noise to speak of, and even then it's still much less than those other cams.

Unless you're using DRS, in which case that feature adds dynamic range along with noise.

I read your article about cranking the coring up to 2 but besides that what other permanent in-camera settings can I adjust that will help reduce the noise so that I can match the kind of clean images you're getting from your unit?

I use a MP of about -9, B.PRESS or CINE-V gamma, gain of zero, coring of +2, and DRS OFF unless I really need it.

 

[PatrickLawler]

And that is?

So many people are obsessed with the details that have nothing to do with whether or not they can shoot good footage.

You can give someone the same brush that Michelangelo used to paint the Sistine Chapel and they couldn't do diddle squat with it. Yet everyone seems to be on a quest for the holy grail of cameras as if that will somehow turn them into award winning filmmakers.

I used Sony cameras before I switched to Panasonic. I shot some great footage with them and I shot some crap with them.
Same goes for my Panasonic cameras.

I've never had anyone at a film festival where my work was playing come up to me and say they wish my film wasn't so noisy. I have had festival directors come up to me and say they always look forward to my submissions because they love my work.

So many people waste so much time debating the merits of this camera or that camera and my camera is better than yours that they forget why they have a camera.

I have yet to see any camera power itself up and shoot a great film. They're nothing more than a tool. In the hands of a competent filmmaker, any camera can create a masterpiece.

If one camera isn't right for you, buy something else.

amen to that!