I'm now a Panasonic convert...

KyleProhaska

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I've always been a Canon guy, until a week ago when my AF100 showed up. I was very nervous, having just decided (after speaking repeatedly with Timur about which camera I should go with) to just get it and see. If I was wrong and it wasn't for me, no harm done. Still as I opened it up I was just praying it was what I was hoping for.

Within like an hour of using it I was looking for ways to return it. I had a feeling in my gut of sickness realizing I would probably be packing this thing back up and getting my money back, etc. It's true as many others have said, the default settings of the AF100 are not pleasing at all and (after experimenting) I realized it was the settings that were making the codec respond so poorly (at least for me, not saying everyone will agree). My greatest disappointment was the codec BEFORE I purchased the camera. Again, with the default settings it had quite a few issues that I really hated. It was like a $5000 DSLR to me. However, for like 4 nights straight I used it around my apartment with nothing but a 500w Softbox, and when possible setting up shots in my office hooking the camera to a production monitor to tinker with the settings giving it multiple situations of highlight and shadow and color under different gamma settings and whatever else I could try.

Barry's book was CRUCIAL to understanding how to properly setup the camera for my uses. Finally I started understanding what the camera could do with the settings I wanted, and bingo...the results I was looking for began to show up. Each day I became more comfortable and by now I'm 100% sure this is the camera I'm going to be using for a long time. Anybody who honesty expects to take any camera out of the box and get beautiful stuff without any knowledge of the tool is ridiculous. I just heard a story about a guy who returned his immediately, said his 7D was better, etc. not realizing all he was giving up in my opinion. I almost was one of those guys, and now I understand my fault. Those who say this camera is incredibly NOISY have no idea what they're talking about.

The on-board codec also surprised me the more I used it and got my settings where I wanted them. The settings weren't changing anything about the codec itself but it was changing what footage the codec needed to deal with. Yes, the codec isn't the best thing in the world, but after hooking up the HDMI to my Intensity Card and recording some 422 8-bit footage to Prores, I don't think there's anything this camera can't do under the proper circumstances. On-board is perfectly fine for a lot of uses I'm finding, but external will be a must for me on a feature I hope to use this one (that's just me though). Either way the fact this camera at $5000 has HD-SDI and HDMI, can accommodate almost any lens, is built like a tank and weighs very little, and all the rest makes it an amazing product for its price. I love the build quality and how solid this thing feels too. That handle on the top feels like it can handle anything! One thing I love (which I hear isn't the case on the FS100) is the buttons are very intuitive. You know when you hit one and that's important to me, as it's easy to turn things on/off you really need and in all the craziness on a set not realize it. I would say the only fault I see that annoyed me is how hard it seems to be to hook up the AC bracket on the back. It's hard to get my fat fingers in there and get the thing attached. I haven't found anything else I don't like about the camera so far, but I'm not including any menu related things that some have brought about. It's a really SOLID product...period.

I was never a Panasonic guy, but I'm happy to say now I am :) I think the AF100 will serve me well, and I say it proudly!

Any guys who are number crunching and doubting this thing let me just say that I WAS YOU, and then I got the camera and actually gave it some time and learned about it. Now I'm convinced there isn't any other choice I could've made in this budget range that makes as much sense as the AF100.


Typical Settings I found work best for me:
Detail L: -4 (lower is fine too but -4 is a good balance where I don't see any edge enhancement)
Detail V: -4 (also can go down to -7 if you want)
Detail Coring: -7 (basically unless you really need it, turning it off is a good option. It helps control noise but as you can see with it all the way down...I got barely ANY.)
Chroma Level: 0 (change in the negative to dull things a little if you want but -7 is way too far and can stress the codec a little to boost later)
Chroma Phase: 0 (if you have a good reason to alter this do it but I've found zero use for this for normal shooting situations under good and balanced light)
Master Ped: 0 (with B.Press turned on, any negative value of this seemed to take things too far, positive induced noise. If you need even more shadow detail then B.Press can allow, don't use B.Press and use something else. Set the proper gamma FIRST, then induce Ped if need be)
Gamma: B.Press (gives me good but not crushed black levels and knee control which I want. Also it's the cleanest of the gammas, and even with knee if you do overexpose it wont' give you a color shift in the highlights like Cine-D and V do...like the yellow tinge you can get. Cine-V is great as well but B.Press gave the contrast I personally wanted, Knee controls as well, and it's cleaner)
Knee: Mid (High is too much and gives you that grayish white, low is almost non-existent in effect...mid strikes a great balance I like)
Matrix: Norm2 (the cleanest color setting but after testing I feel like Norm1 and 2 and be interchanged without changing a thing to the eye (although barry suggests Norm1 is more technically accurate). If you need to drop your color a little, perhaps switching from 2 to 1 is a better option than dropping the Chroma level up top, but you'll have to make a judgment call.)
 
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You were "that guy":shocked: ...I read your other thread...glad you came around!
Beautiful test shots.

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That's some nice looking clean footage....Thank you for the test.
Also what Paul said....please enlighten everybody on the settings. Because I didn't see a speck of noise!
 
i noticed a couple of times you've called your settings "custom" but didn't elaborate.
Since the forum is (allegedly) about sharing, won't you share your scene files? I (and others, obviously) am curious.
I haven't come up with anything better than some of those who've shared their recipes (though I'm still experimenting).
Thanks! (and yes, nice looking stuff!) :thumbsup:
 
You took Timur's advice?? ;-)

Sweet looking video. The AF100 is a great little camera. A wise choice, my friend.

Where do you guys get the little emoticons? i can't find them when i post.
 
Just looked at some of the footage right off the camera via the HDMI onto my 50in Plasma. Amazing...simply gorgeous. I'm in a little bit of shock seeing just how great it looks and I'm a compression and quality NUT. I see stuff tons of people tell me they don't see, and I'm really satisfied. Computer screens always show you noise in a very different way. Any noise in the shadowy areas even on my earlier shots with this camera look far better on that TV than I ever would've thought.
 
You took Timur's advice?? ;-)

Sweet looking video. The AF100 is a great little camera. A wise choice, my friend.

Where do you guys get the little emoticons? i can't find them when i post.

Go Advanced option - lots to choose there... the nads one is funny! :thumbsup:

Back on topic - very clean look.

It's interesting to see a thread like this, as it's all about putting the time in to get the results required. DSLR's limited settings and basic 'out of the box' nice look for stills, have made everyone forget that (especially in the old days of video cams) you used to have to 'learn' how it would work - not just turn on & go.

Look forward to seeing more.
 
Glad to see you've settled into it and you're really starting to get the results that you were looking for. Words like "amazing" and "simply gorgeous" are the kind of words you're supposed to be saying.

I wish people could take a little bit of a lesson from this. When all the complaining first started and we had the "noise hysteria" and all that, we had people actually accusing me and others of "participating in a coverup" and that they were going to "make sure the truth is known." I wish people could take a more measured response, do like Kyle has done, do like Shooter has done, do like Timur has done (because, for those of you who don't know, Timur's first reaction was pretty negative until he found the black balance button!) Work with it, learn it, fine-tune it, and soon you'll start experiencing what the rest of us have been saying. Interesting that both Kyle and RieniO started new threads today to talk about how happy they are with it now that they've used it for a while, because both were pretty upset for a while.

It really is a great little camera. It does an excellent job. Kyle's words are not misplaced -- for the price, "amazing" and "simply gorgeous" are totally appropriate words for what the AF100 can do.

Anyway, glad you're happy! Do some great work and then share it with us!
 
It's a great camera.. My kink right now is that I am LOADED with Canon Glass... I'm stuck on a couple of little Nikon's until Eric gets his mount done.. Which should be very soon I hear.

Even with those Nikons.. It's a hell of a camera.

Jay
 
Good test, nice contrast. I'm becoming more of a B.Press fan myself. It will crush the blacks if you're not careful but it is also very expressive.
 
Thanks for the welcoming posts guys :)

Honestly I haven't seen B.Press truly crush anything by default, it won't do that unless you're lighting is poor, or if you have Master Ped in the negatives. It drops down the lower 20%, but not a ton. Cine-V is really similar. My main reason for using B.Press anyways is it's the cleanest gamma, and allows me Knee function. It's contrast is great but that isn't my main reason for using it.
 
Hey! What's wrong with my advice?! ;)

For the record, I would shoot on a af in a heatbeat. Love that cam. May still buy one.

I had many many many emails/ chats and talks with kyle about this purchase. Glad he is happy. :) it was the perfect choice for his budget and needs.
 
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Thanks for the welcoming posts guys :)

Honestly I haven't seen B.Press truly crush anything by default, it won't do that unless you're lighting is poor, or if you have Master Ped in the negatives. It drops down the lower 20%, but not a ton. Cine-V is really similar. My main reason for using B.Press anyways is it's the cleanest gamma, and allows me Knee function. It's contrast is great but that isn't my main reason for using it.

You're right, I took another look at this test and the master ped is -3.
 
Yea, but honestly, that shot looks fine (with the ped at -3 and B.Press). Unless you wanted to CC later perhaps, the other shot of yours needed more contrast added...so they'd end up looking very similar. I wouldn't call that other shot "crushed" at all, the black still seems to have a grayish tone to it. Just my opinion. :)
 
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