Ikonoskop RAW DII 1st Camera Delivered!

combatentropy said:
Oh, dear, please be careful about "lines of resolution." The traditional meaning is not at all what someone would guess and makes a camera sound like it less resolution than it actually does. The traditional meaning is, lines of resolution "per picture height" --- which is to say, if the screen were a perfect square, as wide as it is high (which no screen is), then its horizontal resolution would be (insert number).

So, if a camera resolved a 1920 x 1080 image, you would not say it has about 2,000 lines of resolution, you would say it has about 1,000. This totally obtuse way of talking about resolution carries over from analog, NTSC days, where their measuring equipment, I'm supposing, somehow made it easier to talk about resolution in this way. It is not the way people think about resolution today, when all the time we are talking about a rectangle that is a certain number of pixels wide by a certain number of pixels high. For example, 1920 x 1080.

So, if a camera "resolves about 800 lines," then the image is about 1400 x 800.
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I don't think you have that quite right...you can't make out a line unless you can see something in between, so you'll need a bit more than 800 pixels to see 800 lines.
 
Postmaster said:
So you know that the A-cam Kodak sensor resolves 700-800 lines if you are lucky.
Whereby the HVX is a 3-sensor camera.

Frank
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Are you talking about the hvx200? because it only resolves around 540 tv lines, lol. it's a 3 sensor camera yes, in which the 3 sensors are 960x540, spatially offset to interpolate the extra data for a full HD image. From a technical standpoint, this spatial offset method of interpolating ends up being "worse" than a bayer pattern sensor with the same total number of pixels, in regards to how much you can resolve from a set number of pixels. When measured, the HVX produces around 540 "tv lines"

Also your post about you capturing uncompressed rgb to your computer from you hvx: I'm pretty sure that's not possible. Even if it did have hdmi or hdsdi, it would be a 4:2:2 yuv encoded signal, far from 444 raw rgb sensor output. But I'm pretty sure it doesn't even have hdsdi or hdmi, so you'd have to be using component. And through the d/a conversion on the camera, cable run, then the a/d conversion on your capture card, you'd be losing enough high frequency detail and chroma accuracy that would just make it not worth it. You have a lovely 4:2:2 high bitrate codec on the camera, no reason to bypass it. Keep all the data in the digital domain after the sensors analog output gets converted and avoid unnecessary a/d or d/a conversions after that.
 
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Where is Ikonoskop? MIA since 12/23/10

Where is Ikonoskop? MIA since 12/23/10

I sure would like to see this company do well, but why have they disappeared for almost three months? The last update on their website is from December 23, 2010. Weird
 
mik303 said:
I'm not sure if RED will deliver the Scarlet before the Mayan Calendar expires, but it looks like their little competitor has beat them to the punch.
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Smidge larger sensor, bit lower resolution, quarter the the framerates, quite a bit less record time per gigabyte, no motion HDR, several grand more expensive.

Not convinced I should buy this instead of Scarlet just 'cause it's available a few months earlier.

Much rather have this dII than an F3, though.
 
On my way to the Sony booth at NAB I stumbled across these guys at Ikonoskop. These guys are super nice. You can tell they have a passion for filmmaking and are incredibly nice to talk to...non assuming and not full of themselves like...

I was fascinated by their camera. I played with it for hours...and you know what? After a couple of minutes, the form factor makes total sense. It just feels right. It's an incredibly simple camera, but the images it puts out are pretty freaking awesome. I downloaded some of their files and even though I am not accustomed to Cinema DNG, after messing around with the files, I was able to bring them into Final Cut Pro with no problem...stunning images...it truly smokes all of the DSLR's...no comparison what so ever.

I spent almost three days coming over to the Ikonoskop booth asking question after question, and they were incredibly happy to answer them. They even dumped lots of footage into my computer so I can continue to explore their images. When it was all said and done, I came out of NAB totally in love with the little camera...so much so that yesterday I sent them my deposit and I am in the cue to get one when they build one...6 to 8 weeks...

Here is the bottom line. When it is all said and done and I get 3 cards, the reader, the correct mounts, etc. etc, I will have a compact camera for around 17k that really has a beautiful organic look to it. You might say...but hey, it is only 1080p and it it doesn't do this and that. True, but you can deny the images the Ikonoskop puts out. Yep, it is only a digital 16 mm camera that shoot in the open source DNG RAW format up to 3,5 MB per frame in 1920 by 1080...and it is awesome.

What is even more awesome is the attitude and culture of the Ikonoskop gang. You can tell they have a passion for their camera...they are humble and they are one of us...just filmmakers that want to create a tool for us...you can't beat that.

By the way, here is a video that appeared yesterday on Vimeo...I did not shoot it...but me likey :)

 
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I really like the 'organic look' of this camera, but from the sample DNG file it looks like the camera crush the black and clip the highlight.
 
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I love the look of this camera as well.

It is out of my price range for owning it, but maybe someday I will be able to rent one.
 
New Ikonoskop Footage is awesome!

New Ikonoskop Footage is awesome!

The new Ikonoskop Footage that I'm starting to see is amazing! When done right, it looks like you're shooting a real film, not a video.

http://vimeo.com/24822862
 
My choice leaning to this camera because of the great feeling, but the price of the memory is to much for me. I like to shoot 6 hours on one day sometimes (events and documantairy). And I know nothing about these 16mm lenses. But I love how it looks even on Vimeo.
 
i love this cam (from what I have seen on vimeo at least it's the most filmic image). Too bad it's priced in euros :)

What is the DR on it?
 
Stills Images

Stills Images

Hi, slightly confused as I was on the Ikonoskop forum and have been redirected to it seems DVXUser? Anyhow! Does anyone have some non test chart real life still images from this camera? Would be really appreciated if I could see something? Many thanks
 
hmmm.. for some reason, most flicks shot on the ACam are silent movies full of jump cuts.

Looks like the ACam owners really into that 70s short film style.

Frank
 
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