Ikonoskop A-Cam dII - Huge Price Drop

morgan_moore said:
BMD2 will be available in 6 months
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You're just guessing right? Predictions like this can really hurt sales. Maybe BMC will just keep giving out free firmware updates for the next couple of years before they produce another camera. We don't know. I've been waiting for the AF 200 for three years. LOL

When evaluating the Ikonoskop DII, I love the camera for what it actually is. It's the modern version of a 16mm film camera. You would have to really study the footage from the DII alongside actual 16mm film stock in a vacuum, to really see the difference. Everything I have seen from the footage out there, is that, Ikonoskop got really really close to that look. Films like "The Wrestler, Following, Pi" and the many other 16mm classic films out there, have proven that the 16mm look is viable. 16mm can look good, if you know what you're doing, and have a plan. For the former (and current) 16mm camera owners, I think this camera is perfect, especially if you already own 16mm glass.

Unfortunately, I don't own 16mm glass.

Unfortunately 9700 Euros ($12,000+ US) is still too close to the price of the Scarlet package, for me to consider this camera, but I am glad that they have presented a discount package. I would estimate that before this announcement, the "Ikonoskop Start Package" would have been more like 13,000 Euros.

Is there a chance, that this camera package will be priced below 8000 Euros ($10,000 US) ???

I don't know, but BMCC is going to be flooding the market for sure by August 2012, so I hope that Ikonoskop doesn't get washed away.

The DII has some advantages over BMCC:

Swappable Battery
CCD Sensor (Jello-Free) BMCC CMOS ?
Storage Media that works on both Mac and PC
16mm mount that is made for it's 16mm sensor (BMCC has an akward Sensor/Lens Mount relationship)

But even these nice benefits are not enough to justify a camera that is triple the price.

If you compare apples to apples, the BMCC Body is $3000 US, but you still need Hard drives, battery system, Media Reader, so it's alot closer to $4,000.

What is the right price for the Ikonoskop DII ?
 
Yep guessing - but the tech race is basically on for sub 10k 2k S35 raw I guess

(BMCC has an akward Sensor/Lens Mount relationship)

You can say that again :)

Its only a goer if someone like Duclos or Ilya Freidman gets their saw out..

I dont get 4k really when 2k is not yet a reality in raw - I spose thats where alexa hit the spot - super functional for today..

S
 
Im a rare US A-CAM owner. I have fallen in love using this cam. I agree it doesnt have the dynamic range that BMC will have or some other cameras on the market- but, my oh my this has an organic look to it that NOTHING (currently available) can match. Ultimately for me this factor was much more impactful than FPS or crazy low light performance. Its crazy how good it feels to me. I have switar c-mount primes that are tiny combined with the small form of this camera its incredible to use ( I also have moller bolex anamorphic adapter that is amazing paired with the switars-tiny and close focus of .5 meters). I feel like I have a great handle on the workflow too (cineform Raw has improved my workflow considerably). IMO this camera has a look so similar to film that it will keep its usefullness for a very long time. I plan on getting a full frame or super 35 cam too next year when the dust settles but for now Im loving the A-CAM. Couldnt recommend it more.
 
I love my A-Cam too! I have yet to get on the cineform bandwagon yet and am really just importing directly the c-dng(s) to SG, Davinci, and the adobe apps. That 16mm organic look is outputted from the get-go, w/ the dng(s), so basically all I have to pay attention to is the color grade. For me, this is exactly what I wanted in a digital 16mm film camera. Drag and drop the dngs and open up the color grade software. I'm so glad I was diverted from the RED SCARLET. The dynamic range lost w/ the A-Cam vs. the RED, I could care less about. Helps me think more like I'm dealing w/ actual film and how the art of lighting can be implemented in a given shot, thus I know what I'm dealing with instead of bumping up iso(s) and functions that I think more often than not, make the outputted footage look super digital since the cam in question is processing all these synthetic calibrations to deal the capture of footage. DII is just so simple, it makes sense. Wouldn't want another camera ever!
 
mik303 said:
What is the right price for the Ikonoskop DII ?
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Right price would be about 12.300$ for the start kit. http://www.ikonoskop.com/a-cam-dll-/
More then 3000$ but less then the 17.465$ you would have to pay for the equivalent Scarlet kit. From what I have seen, the BMCC has it´s obvious limits but it might be worth just to get the full Resolve license! Ikonoskop would be were I´d put my money if I were to shoot anything bigger then advanced home movies.
 
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