I miss Hollywood, too bad it died.
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MattinSTL
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"Hollywood"... in the way you're putting it (in my opinion) didn't die... it's suffering an attempted-murder... by the yutes... for every 30-40-something dude that thinks the original Raiders was amazing... there are ten 20-year-olds that think Crystal Skull was just as good.
I'm curious if you enjoyed Casino Royale? I thought the opening sequence was well-done... frankly, I even thought "shoot 'em up" had a good sequence.
Art doesn't die when people stop noticing... It waits.
Hollywood could come back from the dead... ZombieWood?... (awesome)...
I'm curious if you enjoyed Casino Royale? I thought the opening sequence was well-done... frankly, I even thought "shoot 'em up" had a good sequence.
Art doesn't die when people stop noticing... It waits.
Hollywood could come back from the dead... ZombieWood?... (awesome)...
Pookie
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I follow you, but Hollywood today is just the roadkill that you pay $15 at the ticket booth to see.:crybaby:
There are no real stars anymore. Pitt, Crowe, Jollie, Paltrow, McConaughey, Kidman.... Sandler, these aren't stars. :angry:
Cagney, Gable, Bogart, Loy, Bacall, Grant, Hepburn and on and on and on, they were stars.
I won't even start on the directors or musicians...:huh:
Hollywood died when they started spelling it $$$$$$$$$. Now it has always been a money game, but they at least gave you a real product for your ticket, with real talent and real stars on screen. Watch anything on TCM, any day and you'll see better films than anything made today. There was a real story, real characters and production value that actually showed.:thumbsup:
Today a guy spends $400 million on a 3D cartoon and pouts when he doesn't get the Oscar for best picture. It was a cartoon.:zombie_smiley:
No, Hollywood died and there isn't an exorcist big enough to drive the blood sucking devils out of there.:engel017:
Well, there are those who consider this kind of '60s glam to be all cheese and schmultz, too. And there's an argument to be made for that. I love it, but I can see where someone would find it . . . cheesy and schmultzy.
Of course, in 50 years, someone will be lamenting the loss of the Hollywood of today.
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Then civilization dies....
Nektonic
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Today a guy spends $400 million on a 3D cartoon and pouts when he doesn't get the Oscar for best picture. It was a cartoon.:zombie_smiley:
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MattinSTL
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Art for money dies without popularity... Art for the sake of Art is created by the passionate few who may very well go unnoticed in their own time. There are still Artists out there... but "stars" are a product of $$$ (and mystery).
The market is flooded... and every aspect of a star's life is public, which rubs off any shine they could develop anyway.
It would be awesome if somebody set out to find a star... a classically handsome man or glamorous girl... and that star didn't quickly spin out in a public lifestyle of drugs and assorted low-brow behavior. I'd also argue in favor of simplicity... simplicity which you probably won't see much anymore. Shots were set up with more basic structure... even lighting, some of which is touted as done by "the masters"... appears quite simple... and not always motivated, but that left the frame clean for the actors... who delivered "more concise" lines then most stories have today.
I also think most actors were on the very edge of taking it too far... (but in a good way)... almost like the acting style was exertion to speak... which might seem odd by today's "the best actors aren't acting" mentality... but I think this semi-forced acting style made the stories more compelling...
1) solid story, relatively simple arc + 2) good, glamorous actors that seemed "ethereal" because back then it was us and them + 3) simple, traditional lighting set-ups, basic blocking techniques, and traditional photographic framing = Classic compelling film.
One of my favorite old films is North by Northwest.
I wouldn't be too down about Hollywood dying... I'll bet that we're in an era right now... which is the root of my "art" analysis... just like movies got really bad in the 70's... then we had some amazing stuff come after that. The movies you like will be back... but probably not with mass popularity... because the internet would kill the hollywood star... unless he/she could somehow maintain some mystery.
The market is flooded... and every aspect of a star's life is public, which rubs off any shine they could develop anyway.
It would be awesome if somebody set out to find a star... a classically handsome man or glamorous girl... and that star didn't quickly spin out in a public lifestyle of drugs and assorted low-brow behavior. I'd also argue in favor of simplicity... simplicity which you probably won't see much anymore. Shots were set up with more basic structure... even lighting, some of which is touted as done by "the masters"... appears quite simple... and not always motivated, but that left the frame clean for the actors... who delivered "more concise" lines then most stories have today.
I also think most actors were on the very edge of taking it too far... (but in a good way)... almost like the acting style was exertion to speak... which might seem odd by today's "the best actors aren't acting" mentality... but I think this semi-forced acting style made the stories more compelling...
1) solid story, relatively simple arc + 2) good, glamorous actors that seemed "ethereal" because back then it was us and them + 3) simple, traditional lighting set-ups, basic blocking techniques, and traditional photographic framing = Classic compelling film.
One of my favorite old films is North by Northwest.
I wouldn't be too down about Hollywood dying... I'll bet that we're in an era right now... which is the root of my "art" analysis... just like movies got really bad in the 70's... then we had some amazing stuff come after that. The movies you like will be back... but probably not with mass popularity... because the internet would kill the hollywood star... unless he/she could somehow maintain some mystery.
ilauzirika
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I'm 21 and I declare myself as a innocent.....anyone that thinks that crystal skull was as good as the originals should be forced to watch the originals 3 times in a row... and then write a paper on the differences between them....
The new blockbuster film landscapes look like plastic... but the change can also be seen in new films... for example take a look at Narnia, now compare the first one to the new one...see what I'm saying, the realism isn't there, for me at least....not all of them though....take a look at Harry potter (the last one), in my opinion the best of the series....
I'm of the opinion that practical effects and real scenaries add a lot to the movie expereince and help selling realism...take a look at LOTR..those films used a lot of practical, model and even full scale buildings (I would have loved to visit the Edoras or helm's sets).....
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Mark Harris
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I follow you, but Hollywood today is just the roadkill that you pay $15 at the ticket booth to see.:crybaby:
There are no real stars anymore. Pitt, Crowe, Jollie, Paltrow, McConaughey, Kidman.... Sandler, these aren't stars. :angry:
Cagney, Gable, Bogart, Loy, Bacall, Grant, Hepburn and on and on and on, they were stars.
I won't even start on the directors or musicians...:huh:
Hollywood died when they started spelling it $$$$$$$$$. Now it has always been a money game, but they at least gave you a real product for your ticket, with real talent and real stars on screen. Watch anything on TCM, any day and you'll see better films than anything made today. There was a real story, real characters and production value that actually showed.:thumbsup:
Today a guy spends $400 million on a 3D cartoon and pouts when he doesn't get the Oscar for best picture. It was a cartoon.:zombie_smiley:
No, Hollywood died and there isn't an exorcist big enough to drive the blood sucking devils out of there.:engel017:
But what you're missing is that for every movie on TCM today, the studios of the second studio system(30s-40s) cranked out HUNDREDS of pieces of s**t. Studios used to make like 2-3 movies a WEEK. Very very few of them were what we now call classics.
CallaghanFilms
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that's why i differentiateBETWEEN what was saying?
CallaghanFilms
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seriousl I'm pissed
CallaghanFilms
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yes it sas 540something but ot gets dark early
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HorseFilms
Look ma no hands
CGI should be outlawed except as an accent to practical effects. Also, story needs to be re-introduced to the public. This endless stream of remakes is unbelievably stupid and unnecessary.
CallaghanFilms
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all directors should take the ""nolan pledge
CallaghanFilms
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right, horse?
Hawk Teflon
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Ha ha! I actually "lol"ed at this.
I usually find the good in MOST movies. I can appreciate the action sequences and CGI in Transformers, even though most that know anything about movies say that Bay is an overpaid no talent hack. I am a huge fan of the original three Indiana Jones movies, but when I saw the fourth one, I literally said (when the credits started rolling), "What the eff did I just watch?!"