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ian515

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Hand't heard of the hyperdeck until reading through a few recent threads. a few quick questions.

while 330 is a nice price, whats the math on how much video could be stored on a 250GB SSD drive (assuming you are recording at the highest quality). I would hate to buy something like that, then get up to about 3 grand in drives!

does anyone actually use this with the F3 yet, and if so, how are you mounting it? I don't see any obvious mounting points on B&H's website.

Blackmagics website says that it uses a "universal codec", was wondering if anyone has used one of these with Avid Media Composer, and if so, does it work well?

thanks in advance!
 
It is uncompressed HD, so works fine with MC. Check any data calc app, but you should get less than 30 min per 256gb SSD. Obviously, uncompressed takes up lots of space and a raid fast enough to keep up with the data rate.

I have really only used it in a few tests so just put it on a table. There have been several mounting solutions suggested but honestly I can't find the links right now ;(

Ned
 
so if I am shooting all day (say I shoot about 5 hours of video), with no real opportunity to offload its cheaper to go with the kipro mini and a bunch of CF cards, huh?
 
ian515 said:
so if I am shooting all day (say I shoot about 5 hours of video), with no real opportunity to offload its cheaper to go with the kipro mini and a bunch of CF cards, huh?
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Actually, with your scenario, the Hyperdeck would still be nearly $4000 cheaper. But... you'd probably come out cheapest if you can wait and grab either a Pix240 or a Atomos Samurai.

The reason why is, the Ki Pro Mini has a very short list of compatible CF cards, and they're expensive. about $460 to $500 for a 32GB card, or about $900 for a 64GB.

So... back to math:

Based on five hours of recording without dumping, shooting, lets say, 1920x1080 24p.

In ProRes 422 HQ that's about 80GB per hour, or 400GB for five hours.
In uncompressed, thats about 446GB per hour, or about 2.23TB for five hours.

That means Ki Pro Mini cost, before batteries and mounting plates: (based on 6x64GB, 1x32GB)
$2000+$900x6+$460=$7860

Hyperdeck Shuttle, with 5 hours of drives... well, we have to choose a drive. Let's go with the Crucial 256 C300. It's on the approved list, and available for $404 from Amazon. We'll need 9 of them to get 5 hours.
$350+$404x9=$3986

However, if you can wait and pick up an Atomos Samurai, or a Pix240 and go with the Pro Res recording, your total cost would be lower, even assuming you go with SSDs. You'd be back to only needing 400GB. Let's say you get two of those Crucial drives ($808).


Pix240 cost: $2600+808= $3408
Samurai cost: $1500+808= $2308

So, the Ki Pro mini, for uninterrupted recording without dumping, is actually about the most expensive solution. For this sort of shooting, the Ki Pro (full size), is acutally cheaper.... but not cheaper than any of the competing products.
 
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awesome. thanks for doing all that math. not my strong suit! I like the look of the Pix240, seeing as I use Avid media composer, that would be a seamless import, as opposed to prores.
 
Another consideration, unless they changed it the Shuttle doesn't have a way to mount it to your camera. There is no 1/4" threaded hole for instance. Velcro is an option, but I've always hated a patch of velcro on my nice new camera and to my mind its insecure like an HDMI connection. As far as a cage, the buttons are on the edge. Its doesn't mean you can't figure out a way, but you're going to have to fiddle with it.
 
yeah, I was wondering about that. the Pix240 really does look like it fits the bill, but I can't find the price for the DNxHD add on.
 
Viddovation said:
Based on five hours of recording without dumping, shooting, lets say, 1920x1080 24p.

In ProRes 422 HQ that's about 80GB per hour, or 400GB for five hours.
In uncompressed, thats about 446GB per hour, or about 2.23TB for five hours.

That means Ki Pro Mini cost, before batteries and mounting plates: (based on 6x64GB, 1x32GB)
$2000+$900x6+$460=$7860
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Actually those are no longer accurate figures.

The Sandisk Extreme Pro card has now dropped down to $270 for the 32Gig size:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...P_032G_A91_32GB_Extreme_Pro_CompactFlash.html

And the 64Gig is now $550:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...P_064G_A91_64GB_Extreme_Pro_CompactFlash.html

The 128 Gig is now $1,150:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/751033-REG/SanDisk_SDCFXP_128G_A91_Extreme_Pro_CF_Card.html

Thirteen of the 32 Gig cards would be $3,500. That's less than half of your estimate and you can get everything now.

Still, I'm working on a way to to mount an external SSD to the Ki Pro Mini. I just received a CF "card" plug on a wire. I hope to use it plugged into a usb drive enclosure similar to what we did with the express card adapter to usb drive enclosure. The Express card adapter to USB drive enclosures work perfectly and produce standard files.
 
Duke M. said:
Another consideration, unless they changed it the Shuttle doesn't have a way to mount it to your camera. There is no 1/4" threaded hole for instance. Velcro is an option, but I've always hated a patch of velcro on my nice new camera and to my mind its insecure like an HDMI connection. As far as a cage, the buttons are on the edge. Its doesn't mean you can't figure out a way, but you're going to have to fiddle with it.
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Got a prototype of a great mounting plate and bracket from John Saunders at Connectivity Group:

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Rock solid with plenty of 1/4-20 and 3/8 threaded holes.
 
It would be cool if some video dealers got ahold of the Pix240. Being from SOUND DEVICES it might be distributed a lot like EDIROL, i.e. video stuff sold by an audio company, (ROLAND, in EDIROL's case). :(
 
Duke M. said:
Actually those are no longer accurate figures.

The Sandisk Extreme Pro card has now dropped down to $270 for the 32Gig size:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...P_032G_A91_32GB_Extreme_Pro_CompactFlash.html

And the 64Gig is now $550:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...P_064G_A91_64GB_Extreme_Pro_CompactFlash.html

The 128 Gig is now $1,150:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/751033-REG/SanDisk_SDCFXP_128G_A91_Extreme_Pro_CF_Card.html

Thirteen of the 32 Gig cards would be $3,500. That's less than half of your estimate and you can get everything now.
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Glad to hear it. Thx for the correction.
 
Don't forget that the Samurai is the only option that records to HDDs as well as SDDs. Use them appropriately and you'll have unbelievably low recording costs. You might want to check out press releases from tomorrow (Friday's) IBC show. We're making some announcements that might be interesting to this thread and to this forum.

Dave Shapton
Atomos
 
We've already announced that manufacturing will begin during the IBC in Amsterdam, and this is still true. Taking in to account final testing, quality control, and all the logistics of manufacturing and worldwide supply, we would expect widespread availability at the end of September/beginning of October.

Dave Shapton
Atomos
 
David Shapton said:
Don't forget that the Samurai is the only option that records to HDDs as well as SDDs. Use them appropriately and you'll have unbelievably low recording costs. You might want to check out press releases from tomorrow (Friday's) IBC show. We're making some announcements that might be interesting to this thread and to this forum.

Dave Shapton
Atomos
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I have an itching feeling the pix 240 will get along with normal HDD's just fine. The data rates are nowhere near something that would call for an SSD, and there is no way for the device to differentiate.
 
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