HVX200 vs Z1 vs HD100 vs ???futureXL3???

[Dofray]

Dofray....just admit that you can't afford a HVX200 and that you just bought a crappy Canon and you're regretting it, thanks.

Where do you believe to be? In a court of recreation of children?
Me I believe being in a forum with adults and people in the listening of the questions that everyone can be asked.
To answer your question, I do not have a camcorder. I have just sold my DVX100 to be able to migrate towards something which will approach the HD, with native 16/9. Thus I ask myself questions and it is normal.
I hoped that with this forum one could discuss calmly as an adult and see together what bring to us new the camera which leaves or which will leave. Apparently for some it is not the case.

 

[Editor321]

Dofray....it is not a stupid thread...You have legitimate concerns.

But, talking about the shortcomings of the HVX100 is like talking about someone's mom or wife around here.

These people dont want to hear it! It's like, they have got their minds set on buying this camera and they dont want to hear anything the doesnt support this fantasy.

Nobody can really justify the P2 without all this, "get external hardrive", "download every so often", "after all, its just like film right".

Funny though, comparing the workflow of the P2 to film is definitely a step backwards in terms of digital technology. Hardly justifing the process.

Some of these guys are getting a woody to a picture of the HVX as we speak.

 

[Dofray]

Dofray....it is not a stupid thread...You have legitimate concerns.

But, talking about the shortcomings of the HVX100 is like talking about someone's mom or wife around here.

These people dont want to hear it! It's like, they have got their minds set on buying this camera and they dont want to hear anything the doesnt support this fantasy.

Thank you Editor.
It is good to feel heard and included/understood, even if one can have another opinion, which I can accept besides.

Nobody can really justify the P2 without all this, "get external hardrive", "download every so often", "after all, its just like film right".

Funny though, comparing the workflow of the P2 to film is definitely a step backwards in terms of digital technology. Hardly justifing the process.

Some of these guys are getting a woody to a picture of the HVX as we speak.

You're right !

 

[reservoir]

Funny though, comparing the workflow of the P2 to film is definitely a step backwards in terms of digital technology. Hardly justifing the process.

Well that statement proves it!! You guys are definately smoking crack, and obviously large amounts of it.

Someone please for the love of phucks sake.....please explain to me how P2 is a *Step Backwards* in terms of "Digital Technology?"

So you are saying that shooting on film, then getting it processed, then getting it telecined, THEN capturing it into a NLE, then *FINALLY* getting to edit it......that's how you are *supposed* to do things? That's efficient? That's better than P2? WTF?

Get off the drugs man!!

THIS IS NOT A STUPID THREAD.
I want to know what that really implies to adopt the P2 format. And if it is not adopted, how to make and how much that costs to have the same result (at the end of the workflow) as DVCPROHD with the concurents.

And for the record.....YES....THIS IS A STUPID THREAD!!

Don't try and change the subject. If you *really* wanted to discuss the P2 workflow and other *jibber-jabber* you mentioned...you wouldn't have started a thread called....and I quote:

HVX200 vs. Z1 vs. HD100 vs. ???FutureXL3???

Yeah, that really sounds like you want to discuss the inner workings and workflow of the P2 card.

In reality, it's just fodder for the usual *My dad can kick your dad's ass* arguments....which it totally moot to begin with because:

A. There is NO HVX200 - It exists only on Paper and in the form of a plastic Mockup / Or in a Panasonic Labratory somewhere.

B. There is NO XL3 - Probably Never WILL BE!!

C. HENCE, there isn't ANYTHING TO COMPARE TO *ANYTHING*!!

D. HENCE, THIS IS A STUPID THREAD!! LOKI, I hope you are getting a good laugh out of this!!

~reservoir~

 

[hvpz]

In a court of recreation of children?

Sounds like french translated litterally in english...
Dofray, show us your location, you're not a spy !

btw, the AJ-SPC700 use an AJ-YAD800G to record directly to hard drive through a laptop.

Do you think that panasonic will do the same with our beloved HVX-200 ?

 

[reservoir]

Sounds like french translated litterally in english...
Dofray, show us your location, you're not a spy !

btw, the AJ-SPC700 use an AJ-YAD800G to record directly to hard drive through a laptop.

Do you think that panasonic will do the same with our beloved HVX-200 ?

Sounds like some more of that "All your base are belong to us" talk if you ask me.

~reservoir~

 

[Dofray]

Sounds like french translated litterally in english...
Dofray, show us your location, you're not a spy !

I'm not a spy. I'm new in this forum, and i register normaly.
If my location does not appears is not volunteer. I don't know how to make my location visible.
But you're right, i'm in Paris like you.

btw, the AJ-SPC700 use an AJ-YAD800G to record directly to hard drive through a laptop.

Do you think that panasonic will do the same with our beloved HVX-200 ?

i don't know about this AJ-YAD800G, plus i only looking on prosumers camcorders.
But i have to take a look at these expensive camcoders to understand P2 more perhaps

 

[hvpz]

Sounds like some more of that "All your base are belong to us" talk if you ask me.
~reservoir~

:beer:

Hey, Reservoir, what about your boss today ? No *talking to* ;o)

 

[Phooey]

Eureka!!! The HVX may not be for everyone. I can't believe it. It's like now I see the light. It all makes so much sense now.

Don't like P2? Get the JVC. Ain't no shame in that. Want to make a film? Well, we'll wait to see the footage of these cameras, but the HVX works in a higher color space, less compression, etc, so I have my guesses. Panasonic could have waited for P2 to be an affordable solution, and we'd be looking at the HDV version of the DVX100, but instead Pana is giving us a chance to work with future technology. So, yeah, there are some work arounds. THANK YOU PANASONIC FOR SKIPPING OVER HDV!!!!

But, um, yeah... the HDX isn't for everyone.

 

[Dofray]

Well that statement proves it!! You guys are definately smoking crack, and obviously large amounts of it.

Someone please for the love of phucks sake.....please explain to me how P2 is a *Step Backwards* in terms of "Digital Technology?"

So you are saying that shooting on film, then getting it processed, then getting it telecined, THEN capturing it into a NLE, then *FINALLY* getting to edit it......that's how you are *supposed* to do things? That's efficient? That's better than P2? WTF?

Get off the drugs man!!

You're damned too agressive, for just a question of camcorder !!!

And for the record.....YES....THIS IS A STUPID THREAD!!

Don't try and change the subject. If you *really* wanted to discuss the P2 workflow and other *jibber-jabber* you mentioned...you wouldn't have started a thread called....and I quote:

Each one of these cameras have different specificities, therefore I summarized like that to launch a debate.

Yeah, that really sounds like you want to discuss the inner workings and workflow of the P2 card.

In reality, it's just fodder for the usual *My dad can kick your dad's ass* arguments....which it totally moot to begin with because:

A. There is NO HVX200 - It exists only on Paper and in the form of a plastic Mockup / Or in a Panasonic Labratory somewhere.

B. There is NO XL3 - Probably Never WILL BE!!

C. HENCE, there isn't ANYTHING TO COMPARE TO *ANYTHING*!!

D. HENCE, THIS IS A STUPID THREAD!! LOKI, I hope you are getting a good laugh out of this!!

~reservoir~

Poor arguments. You just still don't want to understand the tread.

 

[hvpz]

Dofray, it's a stupid thread because the only cam available is the Z1.

In 6 months, the z1 vs HVX-200 vs HD100 will have more meanings.

 

[Dofray]

Dofray, it's a stupid thread because the only cam available is the Z1.

In 6 months, the z1 vs HVX-200 vs HD100 will have more meanings.

But i think that we can start to debate. Not to make a conclusion.
Even only the Z1 is available, we know now the specifities of JVC and Panasonic camcorders.
Thus one can already start to reflect on the options of work that that implies and the day come, not to be completely deprived in the store in front of the arguments from such or such salesman which would have these preferences.
I know also we have to wait for footages tests.

Perhaps is too early, but i still thinking that's not a stupid thread.

But OK, let's stop this thread.
See ya in 6 months

 

[hvpz]

See ya in 6 months

Take care, Dofray.

Be sure, Barry and Jarred will do the "HVX200 vs Z1 vs HD100" test when all the cams will be available.

 

[reservoir]

:beer:

Hey, Reservoir, what about your boss today ? No *talking to* ;o)

Nah...I was able to slip under the radar most of the day.

Deputy Doofey....I mean....Dofray.....

See you in 6 months. :thumbsup:

~reservoir~