HVX200 Update

Sounds like a feature rich min-camera, but what good is all that quality when the p2 cards are soooo limited in how much footage you can record? Unless you are shooting just a few minutes of footage for something like say, a commerical, then this camera is going to need yet another tape machine or external hard drive attached to it in order to handle anything long form. By the time you spend all that money, maybe you're better off buying and Vari-Cam for 65k. ???

I just can't see this camera being that useful for indies and low budget vx100 and XL-2 people. And yet, its not practical for the professionals either. So go ahead and waste your money on something you think is better..but just not quite there.
 
I won't disagree with all the highlighted good points of P2 - BUT after some use strongly feel that P2 AND tape is the holy grail, at least for the next five (?) years. All the instant nature of tapeless is useful to us, but until P2 becomes a consumable item, an archival tape is essential as well. That's why we're going with Firestore and a tape camera for the next few years. Sorry.
 
I know this may be a dumb question but would you be able to shoot this cam in HD directly into a laptop using DVrack? I think most likely the answer would yes, correct?
 
ripupthehwy said:
Sounds like a feature rich min-camera, but what good is all that quality when the p2 cards are soooo limited in how much footage you can record?
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The marketplace provides choices. Currently P2 cards are of limited capacity, but that will change. And the FireStore provides substantially more capacity.

I'm sure there are many who would prefer that their record time be compromised, if that means the footage quality be preserved, rather than have their footage quality compromised just so the record time can be extended.

Some people value the footage more than they do the record time. For those who don't, well, HDV is available now. If you value both record time and footage quality, the FireStore will soon be available.
 
harddrive said:
I won't disagree with all the highlighted good points of P2 - BUT after some use strongly feel that P2 AND tape is the holy grail, at least for the next five (?) years.
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Tapeless acquisition is the goal, sure. But tape as a backup doesn't hurt. I always roll the tape when shooting to DV Rack because -- well, why not, actually. Unfortunately HD tape is not the easy commodity that DV tape is. That solution is not so simple.

Tape is not all that cheap (DVDs cost less than half, per gigabyte, than DV tape does). But it is convenient in that it's rolling whenever you're shooting, so it's archiving everything. No doubt that's handy. It'd be great if you could do something similar with the HVX/P2 system; I think the closest you can get is to roll the FireStore and the P2 card at the same time. Not quite the same, as you'd still want to archive the FireStore over to something more permanent at the end of the project.
 
slinks said:
I know this may be a dumb question but would you be able to shoot this cam in HD directly into a laptop using DVrack? I think most likely the answer would yes, correct?
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DV Rack supports DV only, not HD. They do have an add-on HDV Power Pack which adds HDV capability. But the HD format of the HVX is not HDV. They would have to design a new version of the program to support the DVCPRO-HD format of the HVX. They have expressed interest in doing exactly that, so we anxiously await further updates from them. DV Rack for the HVX would be a "killer app"!
 
They could've made the tape useful.

They could've made the tape useful.

Instead of saddling the HVX with a nearly pointless DV-only tape mechanism, they could've run the thing at double or quadruple speed and let us record 50 and 100 megabit-per-second video on it. Even if it were only 50 mb we'd be able to do good SD with it.

Kudos to Panasonic for shunning the HDV boondoggle, but like HDV, they fail to take the obvious step to better quality on tape.
 
Stokestack.... youre entering a world of pain.



Yea the dv recording head is already spinning at something like 9,000 RPM. 18,000, 27,000 or 36,000 RPM would mean ...... well, only Dentist drills and Formula1 engines spin in thoes ranges.... and i can imagine rediculous cost to massproduce a tiny machine that can do that.


i dunno just seems like an expensive option.

anyone know the real Spin rate of a DV head?
 
Barry_Green said:
DV Rack supports DV only, not HD. They do have an add-on HDV Power Pack which adds HDV capability. But the HD format of the HVX is not HDV. They would have to design a new version of the program to support the DVCPRO-HD format of the HVX. They have expressed interest in doing exactly that, so we anxiously await further updates from them. DV Rack for the HVX would be a "killer app"!
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thanks Barry, I can't wait ! Now all I gotta do is save for the cam and DVrack. :P Or sell my relatively new dvx100a :(.
 
This is a bad, very bad article... for me, I'm trying to forget this camera exists because I don't want to spend the 8-10k on it right now.
I just hope they don't have a 25 frame rate which will allow me to downsample for PAL output because that would be a killer, no way to avoid this purchase then.

anyway, thanks for the update and the pics, the camera looks very cool, after the final production model is out and some footage is available I might need to find a place to hide.
 
Thank you for more information on the HVX.

One question about the Pre-Record function. Will you need a P2 card inserted in order to have this work in SD? or does the camera have its own built-in memory for this to work SD or HD? I want to get his camera regardless whether I get a P2 card or need HD features. I'll sell my DVX and get the HVX as my SD camera till I can afford or really need HD then either Rent or purchase a P2 card. The 3 sec Pre-Record feature and better image and over-all design is the best selling point for me. HD is just an option for me at this point. Amazing camera.
 
i'm gonna go ahead and start visiting the plasma bank this week to get the funds for this. any chance of a larger p2 or is 8gb the max for a while?
 
They've said that the 16gb could be announced at this April's NAB. And Samsung(?) made a breakthrough with NAND chip technology, so the 32gb or even 64gb may be coming much sooner than originally anticipated.
 
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