HVX200 to be Andromedized!!

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Hi guys, just been monitoring the forums at Reel-Steam, and looks like it has been updated today with a new section for the HVX200 which they refer to as 'Hydra' ..
However theres no info as of yet.. If i had to guess he must be using the p2 ports to transfer the raw data either directly to a firestore/HD so you can render the files later in sculptor, which would eliminate the need for it to be connected upto the laptop at all times, its possible he may have done this for the andro dvx as well.. Either that or its still connected upto a lappy or mac mini, in which case the main benefits for the hydra would be variable framerates and higher rez rather than portability, of course i could be completely off track here lol.. any ideas??
 
Let's just hope they're similar to Canon in their leaks. Where the actual item is just a few months away from hitting shelves.
 
Looking good.

I hope they have solved the audio recording method, so that it also records to disk, otherwise need to also record to P2 card, which would be a lot of data to wrangle.
 
Green Ranger, I don't think the feed from the HVX P2 slot would provide access to the uncompressed tap, it would seem that port is too far downstream. Firestore, even if was made compatable, which I doubt, may not have the datarate to record the footage, and the firewire signal is already compressed. My understanding is that a 7200rpm hard drive (internal or external USB) on a suitable PC laptop was just enough data rate to sustain the recording (video only) requirements of the DVX Andro. My guess would be to do a similar tap to the HVX and use a powerful laptop, together with an eSATA2 Express34 card with at least one 7200rpm drive, or perhaps 2 (striped). Who knows.... In about 23 days or less we will all know. :D Can't wait.
 
Now this is a happy day. Can't wait for details, but a 1920x1080 variable-frame-rate-up-to-60p uncompressed-HD 4:2:2 HVX with a couple stops more dynamic range... that would be nice...
 
Google "andromeda"; it's a hardware modification to the DVX100. Juan took a DVX and tapped into its CCDs, allowing it to output uncompressed 4:4:4 standard-def; he then did some spatial offset manipulation to deliver a high-def image from a standard-def DVX.

Now he's applying that same wizardry to the HVX.
 
Thanks, i knew a bit about it. I still don't know what the numbers mean ie 4:4:4. In laymens terms, what does an andromdized hvx have that the standard hvx doesn't. I don't know that much about the medium, so maybe it's a lot to ask.
 
4:4:4 is a measure of color sampling... the HVX records 4:2:2, DV is 4:1:1, HDV 4:2:0... basically the higher the color sampling, the higher the range of colors being recorded... Try a search for color sampling to learn more..
 
Here's to hoping for immediate PC support. A few gigs of rap, a raptor 10k internal, and a Core 2 Duo (E6x00 - QX6700) should be good for some straight-to-disk action.

Also, the price will be right for the people who can afford to use it. Like RED, it won't just be a point and shoot deal.
 
Justyn said:
what rumors are those?
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Just rumors Justyn, possible high end FCP/Final Touch, etc, with dedicated hardware. Sorry, I didn't mean to sound like I knew something secretly. Nothing new, and I have no source (just public domain rumors), though my co-producer is getting some very interesting offers from a vendor to purchase a certain high-end hardware editing/finsihing system right now, which makes me wonder, when just before NAB. We are waiting for NAB announcements. With Hydra for HVX announced, suits me fine to setup an Intel/Mac & FCP post suite. I just hope it does what, say, a Symphony will do, for 1/10 the price. :D
 
If I understand it correctly internal modifications will be made to your camera that will add a gigabit ethernet port. This port will be connected via a common CAT5 ethernet cable (up to 100 Meters) to a MAC running sculptorHD. When you press record on the camera the RGB information will go out the ethernet port and to the MAC, where sculptorHD will store it in a raw format. To do this will require a fast drive, so firewire 800 external drives will probably be favored. There is nothing on the website about sound.

The first step in post will be to convert the raw RGB to Quicktime, and you can down sample it to use more manageable file sizes. SculptorHD does this. Once your edit is done you can reassemble it using full 4:4:4 Quicktime source fles, and move on to color correction, etc.

Its really unfortunate that the PC platform is not supported as the PC approach is much more building block oriented. I am planning on building a small battery / AC powered silent PC to do DVRack capturing to an internal 500GB mirror, something you just will not find in a laptop. If sculptorHD ran on a PC (Windows or Linux) a similar computer could be built to support a full days worth of capturing.

Bob
 
Converting this 4:4:4 to something like CineForm Prospect HD in 1080p24 10bit is something I see as a possible post workflow. I do not foreshadow doing a film out, although nice to know you have footage that is almost 2k 4:4:4. Colour correction could substantially be completed during the conversion of the RAW footage, using an xLUT you would create. That said, I think it is difficult to get a final CC at this stage, without seeing all the clips edited and in context. After acquiring to the Intel/Mac, I can't see why post can not be completed on existing PC systems, as the data has to be wrangled anyway. I am all PC these days, however, perhaps once NAB comes and goes, the transition to FCP may be desirous. I just hope all the cool stuff announced this year at NAB, ships fully featured in a timely manner.
 
Bob Gruen said:
If I understand it correctly internal modifications will be made to your camera that will add a gigabit ethernet port. This port will be connected via a common CAT5 ethernet cable (up to 100 Meters) to a MAC running sculptorHD. When you press record on the camera the RGB information will go out the ethernet port and to the MAC, where sculptorHD will store it in a raw format. To do this will require a fast drive, so firewire 800 external drives will probably be favored. There is nothing on the website about sound.

The first step in post will be to convert the raw RGB to Quicktime, and you can down sample it to use more manageable file sizes. SculptorHD does this. Once your edit is done you can reassemble it using full 4:4:4 Quicktime source fles, and move on to color correction, etc.

Its really unfortunate that the PC platform is not supported as the PC approach is much more building block oriented. I am planning on building a small battery / AC powered silent PC to do DVRack capturing to an internal 500GB mirror, something you just will not find in a laptop. If sculptorHD ran on a PC (Windows or Linux) a similar computer could be built to support a full days worth of capturing.

Bob
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Wouldn't you be more concerned with a fast internal drive for writing? Something with the likes of 10k RPM should do well. Though, Juan has stated in another thread that a 7200RPM HD could be used for a low bit-rate (Don't quote me, I'm not quoting him exactly.)

Also, he said that they are PLANNING to support PC platform, but will make the official announcement sometime close to or during NAB. I am crossing my fingers, as purchasing a Mac Pro earlier than I planned really isn't in my budget.

Using a PC will be a lot cheaper.
 
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