HVX200 REVIEW: second look

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The first time around i got to play with this camera was just after it came out when i was getting ready to shoot a low budget feature. Back then i found the noise issue to be too much to handle so we settled on Varicam instead.

In mean time working on various productions i was "forced" to use HVX200 and started liking this camera more and more.

A month ago i started shooting yet another low budget feature where the production already owned HVX200 plus FireStore so it was the only option and format so rather then fighting with the windmills i accepted reality and set upon squeezing as much a possible from this little cam. So here you will find a few observations (shot at 720p straight into FireStore at 24p):

1. Noise IS there. There is just no way around it and you simply have to accept it. You can reason it that people would notice higher resolution over noise so instead of bitching start loving the idea that at such affordable price you can produce images of such high resolution.

2. Camera has spectacular latitude! I didn't do any scientific comparisons but even compared with DVX100 the camera falls off so beautifully. Often even with zebra set at 100 places that showed overexposure still managed to retain some color information. Wow, WOW! I mean you still have to be careful with lighting and carelessness will make video-y-looking image but if you are careful you can create such splendid images -- something between DVX100 and Varicam/CineAlta.

3. Compression is really incredibly mild. It was such pleasure not having to worry about colors being too oversaturated. At the same time you have to be careful to remember that you are STILL working with compressed format. In one of the scenes i was foolish enough to forget that and gelling the lights with full red which produced noticeable compression steepiness where red meets black.

4. I thought that focus with this camera is something of a myth: "Yeah sure you need to focus but don't have to be too exact." Thank God that my AC was so careful about taking the correct distance readings and pulling the focus or otherwise the footage would not be sharp. You need to use measuring tape to get the distance and use that distance as your reference -- the flipout screen (or even a small monitor) are useless with such high resolution.

So there you have it. Affordable HD!!!
 
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Nice Patryk

Considering your probably the most skilled D.P. on the board (Your lighting just flat rules) I'll take your word for it. We're shooting on an HVX in 2 weeks

I cannot wait.

I'm looking forward to any footy you can show us with the HVX200 as I am positve you work horsed it (Cough send me PM cough cough)
 
Thanks for posting Patryk

Point 4 has been a major issue for me personally.
And i'm glad you've nailed it.
From now on its measuring tape for me.
I'd like to see some of what you have shot, please post.

Kind regards
THE HONEST LIAR
 
Ok my English is not that well. Do I understand your statement 4 well and is focussing with the HVX not such a big issue??? If so why do you still need a measuring tape if "don't have to be too exact" ??

4. I thought that focus with this camera is something of a myth. Yeah sure you need to focus but don't have to be too exact. Thank God that my AC was so careful about taking the correct distance readings and pulling the focus or otherwise the footage would not be sharp. You need to use measuring tape to get the distance and use that distance as your reference -- the flipout screen (or even a small monitor) are useless with such high resolution.
 
I didn't put: "Yeah sure you need to focus but don't have to be too exact." in quotation marks (have changed it now). You DO have to be exact.
 
about the noise issue.... under correct lighting and settings there seems to be no noise problem, under darker conditions its more difficult to supress the noise, i understand how this can be a problem.. arent most cameras a bit noisy in dark conditions anyway? especially digital, and the so call noise free cameras in the price range of the hvx must have some filtering going on or something.. I shoot using miniDV tapes on the hvx.. and i have noticed the noise..but then again im still learning about the settings.. and have noticed also that in well lit conditions.. noise was not an issue..

p.s the noise looks a bit film grainy ..which is nice because it gives this nice organic look.. but hey..thats my opinion :)
 
Used an HVX today in SD. You need contrast to get rid of the noise. Once there was a bit of contras the noise seemed to just vanish. once the image got flat, it got grainy again. Interesting phenominon.
 
timur, I too noticed this the other day

the camera does have noise, no doubt and I know its been said ad naseum but the noise reads more like film grain than ugly video noise (to the naked eye)

again though, I urge all filmmakers to not be frightened sh*tless by a little noise.... the HVX is a awesomely capable camera and IMO its the first "prosumer" digital camera to actually give you a chance to compete with higher end cams (cinealta/varicam)
 
Not a problem at all... It's just that you can't peer into the bottomless pit and expect it to come out looking like champagne... The camera needs something interesting to shoot..... some contrast... it loves highlights... it adores light. Murky backrooms and closets are not what this camera is meant to shoot.

Give it a sunny day, a well light interview, and a dark and moody slasher film and it excells. You just can't to to your family reunion, jump into a dark trailer and expect to see all the family drinking beer... Thow some light on those relatives and VIOLA...



The noise was also blown up by settings and by the DELL monitors and such... It's all beautiful now, baby! Sure it's still there, but your other options would cause you to shoot tape and gosh... we all know how yuckie that can be.
 
The camera justgot a bad rap for being unuseable because of the "noise issue" but who cares. IF a Cinealta or a VAricam had noise id be pissed cause its a 80K$ camera. thsi is a 5,300$ camera. a littel noise is fine. and its not even that bad. we are just sensitive to it. Most normal people dont care at all.

I noticed it came out more when the Chroma level was bumped up though. itsmore chroma noise than luma noise. i droppe the chroma down to -3 and it seemedto help alot.
 
Every major DP who has worked with all the under-10k HD cameras says the HVX200 is no noisier than the others (save for the Z1 which is the best in low light situations). These are HD cameras on 1/3 chips. You're gonna have noise.
 
DavidBeier said:
Every major DP who has worked with all the under-10k HD cameras says the HVX200 is no noisier than the others (save for the Z1 which is the best in low light situations). These are HD cameras on 1/3 chips. You're gonna have noise.

yup




Also, i wish thoes grabs were a tiny bit bigger.... anychance of that?
 
Guys I still do not understand that you always bring up the noise issue. I looked very careful at thoses stills and I can not see any noise at all. Maybe I am not crittical enough or you need a very fancy display of 5 grand but I do not see anything wrong in those even low light stills. So lets cut the crap about noise once and for all. I am getting sick of it.



Patryk_Rebisz said:
 
theres probaby no noise because patryk knows what hes doing and unlike most of us, myself included, he lights his sets with ample light and with proper luminance ratios, so the image is perfectly exposed. hence minnimal noise, but you reallly cant tell from thoes grabs.
 
Cees Mutsaers said:
Guys I still do not understand that you always bring up the noise issue. I looked very careful at thoses stills and I can not see any noise at all. Maybe I am not crittical enough or you need a very fancy display of 5 grand but I do not see anything wrong in those even low light stills. So lets cut the crap about noise once and for all. I am getting sick of it.

With enough light you can easily create a relativly noise free image. The limitations come in when you don't have very much illumination. Also, those screens are so small that we can't really tell if there is noise or not.
 
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