HVX200 low light noise level....

[thisiswells]

He also said something I thought was quite confusing, which is that a B4 adapter would need the flilp. And I'm wondering -- why?

He was probably thinking of the Angenieux PL lenses to B4 cameras adapter. For some reason, it inverted the image, and the cameras had to be re-worked to compensate for it, hence the VariCam "F" update. Some DigiBeta cameras also have the menu option, so it is definitely considered a "high end" feature.

(update: CLA35HD is mentioned in an old CML thread here. It seems that it actually used a series of lenses to adapt a PL film lens to a B4 video camera (thereby "flipping" the image). It was because it used a series of lenses (instead of a ground glass and prism set) that makes this adapter unique in the area of lens adapters.

But, apparently, this adapter was a stop-gap solution for lensing an HD camera before there were HD lenses. Now that there are suitable lenses for HD, there isn't really any reason to use this adapter anymore.)

... For the XLH1 what keeps coming to mind is that Canon looked at the expensive broadcast cameras on the market, stripped away the expensive parts (2/3" chips, "real HD" recording format, manual lens) and categorically left in all the others that users don't really need (HD-SDI output connector, image flip for a lens adapter that never caught on...) Knuckleheads.

 

[Stevet]

I don't see how Panasonic could 'own' the entire market, but it's hard to see why anyone would pick the others, really.

Well put.
If anything, this is going to help the $3K- $8K video market.

Sony is known for making one heck of a good camera.

I can only imagine what Sony's response will be to the HVX200.

On the other hand, they may stick to the lower end HDV format just
to test the market for a while. After all, when the general consumer
sees the HDV logo, they will be roped. But , anyone who is willing to shell out 4K
or more is going to do some research and soon realize that Panasonic has a great offering for another 2K.

I think Panasonic just handed out a big surprise for everyone. This is going to be one heck of a camera.

I'm very excited, as you can tell!

Steve

 

[redindian]

On Sunday at 12:00 there is a $10.00 admission seminar with David Leitner where he discusses all of the little cameras and shows some footage from each. David has shot a lot with the Z1 over the last year but he gives a fair hand to most.

Best,

Jan

why doesnt anyone come to Seattle anymore? We too have an indie scene ! and vancouver is just a stones throw away...!

guess we'll have to wait till dec to touch it....

 

[mmm]

I would like to see a side-by-side of th HVX, Z1, HD100 and XLH1. Sounds like the HVX may win it, but then people have only seen Panasonic released footage so far. The low noise levels sound very interesting...

 

[Barry_Green]

XL H1 footage is available for download on DVInfo, and of course HD100 footage is available everywhere.

I planned on conducting the prosposed three-way shootout, but now it's grown to four... that exponentially complicates things. But, eventually we'll get it done!

 

[USLatin]

The HVX is *fantastic* as far as noise goes. They're showing footage at ResFest, I just got to see it yesterday. It so thoroughly exceeded my expectations for noise that it wasn't even funny. It looked every bit as clean as the Z1. Much cleaner than a DVX, and what I saw looked significantly cleaner in chroma noise than the HD100. Panasonic has a history of listening to what we, the users, want. Someone must have told them "low noise", because they sure took that to heart!

Now, granted the camera isn't "done" yet, and Jan says it's at about 80%-85% as far as how good the image looks. I thought it looked extremely impressive. Extremely. There were a couple of things that I noticed about it being "not done" yet, but hey, it's "not done" yet. By the time they're done fine-tuning this thing, I think it will be most impressive. Also, it was being displayed on the 720p LCD system, so it was 1080i cross-converted to 720. Had it been displayed on a native 1080 system it would have been easier to make an accurate judgement.

See it for yourself if you're in L.A. at ResFest, and I think next week it'll be in Chicago...

Barry.... I'll take your word for it but I'd much rather see the footage.
Is there anywhere where we can get some uploaded video?

 

[lacuna]

I was really impressed by how clean the signal was. I don't know that I'd say it was utterly noise-free, but I can easily say that I felt it was every bit a match for the XL2 and FX1 regarding low noise.

Barry this is very good news indeed. For me shadow noise is the biggest drawback of the DVX. I almost sold mine in favour of the XL2 largely because of this issue.

What I'd like to know is, is there any reason to expect the signal will be any more dirty in SD mode on the HVX than what you saw in HD? I'm about to buy the anamorphic adaptor for my DVX but I might hold off for the HVX if the signal is much cleaner in SD (not ready to go HD yet).

If the HVX = clean signal in 16:9 SD then I'm in

 

[Barry_Green]

Barry.... I'll take your word for it but I'd much rather see the footage.

Keep an eye on your local Panasonic marketing company -- perhaps they'll arrange a tour near you.

As for footage, it looks like probably mid-November before there will be some footage available for release.

 

[Antoine_Fabi]

so that brings the real question:

When will it be available ?

 

[evinsky]

December

 

[mmm]

In the UK... about December............2012 probably :grin:

 

[taubkin]

Sony is known for making one heck of a good camera.

I can only imagine what Sony's response will be to the HVX200.

They already answered. They shut down a factory and fired 10.000 employees...

 

[khmuse]

OK, just got back from resfest in LA and I and NBCshooter happened to be there at the same time, we were both looking at the HVX at the same time. The thing that impressed both of us was the noise performance of the HVX. It was WAY better than anything I could have imagined was possible from a 1/3" camera.

The situation was out doors, so there was no real way of looking at its performance in low illumination situations, but from the lack of noise (and I mean none that I could detect from a tough situation - blue subject with a high color temperature lighting) this would tend to make me think that the HVX will be notably better than the DVX in these situations. We were looking at a 1080i analog component video output to a nice LCD monitor, so I do realize that both the interlaced video and the refresh rate of the LCD would tend to slightly mask noise, but I'll tell you, this was as good as anything I have seen from just about any 2/3" camera in terms of noise performance.

My lust factor for this camera just went off the chart!

 

[Barry_Green]

They already answered. They shut down a factory and fired 10.000 employees...

Holy cow, taubkin, you just caused me to do a massive spit-take! This gets my nomination for "post of the year"... :thumbsup: :laugh: :grin:

 

[braw]

I heard 11 factories and 10,000 workers. 6,000 overseas and 4,000 in Japan.