HVX UPDATE: Jarred and Barry go to Hollywood

Cool, thanks Jarred... just need the camera to be released now so we can stop salavating.
 
thank you

thank you

i still have questions to ask, but this review is the best so far to date. i know everyone has put alot of time into all the showings so far, but this one takes the cake - by far. thank you so much for your insights. it just helps me make my purchase THAT much more.

any thoughts on when 1080p might be available to view - i.e. when will you guys view it and what will you think about it.

thanks again - really a pleasant surprise to see on a sunday morning. :thumbsup:

markus
 
"It didn't look like HDV, that's for sure: it really looked like footage coming from a higher class of camera"

It looks promising !!! :o
 
Nice job guys.

So if you guys were there at Resfest, how was the footage compared to the H1 projected on HD-SDI?

Peace
 
I was holding my breath about the inclusion of time-lapse and single frame recording, as it seemed a simple and logical thing to address with an "I.T." camera, but at the same time the kind of thing that would be overlooked in a first effort. Thank you Panasonic.

I was going to start a thread about this very issue, but didn't want the long list of people telling me to "go use a digital still camera". I know the benefits and drawbacks to this technique front to back. As someone who has shot hours of 35mm time-lapse clouds and traffic, have tons of national exposure with time-lapse, and have made an actual living income from this work, it's great to see some though go into this feature.

From one of the stills you took of the Recording Setup menu I see "one shot time" and "recording interval". My hope is that "one shot time" steps down to one frame and "recording interval" has a USEFUL range of times.

What do I mean by useful range? 1sec, 2sec, 4sec, 8sec, 10sec, 12sec, 15sec, 20sec, 30sec, 1min, 2min, 5min, 10min, 20min, 30min, 1hour, and up is what I would call a useful range. Even better would be the ability to set your own digit by digit similar to setting timecode manually. Just an FYI... of all my timelapse material, the best selling cloud work is from 1 to 8 seconds between frames.

Also, I'm assuming that you can trigger the exposures from the IR remote so no need to jiggle the camera...

Finally, long exposures combined with single frame make night time-lapse interesting... I hope there are some provisions for long exposure times...

I really hope single frame and interval recording is implemented well, as this would be unique in the market, simple to program and a big selling point.

Regards,

Jim Arthurs
 
How will 22 FPS be cool exactly ? Basically slightly faster motion than normal. I like all the variable frame rates but what would be the point of having so many ? I would think one slow and one fast would be enough but thank you panasonic nonetheless.
 
I hope they offer the frame rates up to 72 fps, just sothere can be smooth slow-mo look when put into NLE at 24 fps. but is they really want to give me a woody, they go up to 96fps.

The p2 stuff looks promising, just not enough record time at present. When doing live events we really to be able to log hours of footage, so I guess the question will be how good is the taped 720p footage and will it be good enough to please the TV crowd that always want BETA shooters or better. if the case is "yes" then it really will be revolution.

either way, I'm still on the waiting list, just don't yet if I'll be getting p2s or firestore, or just resigning myself to lugging around a terabyte drive with me.
 
Thats sweet - Panny says that dumping P2 footage onto an external 1394 drive will be possible. Does this mean that one would theoretically be able to hook up a Lacie drive for a example to the camera directly and dump it off or would you need a PC/ laptop in between the two. If I can just carry around my Lacie drive and dump footage onto it from the camera then this will be awesome. I have a little power adapter in my car so this could make shoots where I am away from comp simple , well, less simple then running home -
 
rgdfilms, it does dump straight to an of the shelf drive. What we need is cheap battery powered rechargeable enclosures.

What sucks is the ones I have seen are USB and not Firewire. Kinda wish they hadn't switched that or Firewire was included on these enclosures.
 
Jarred Land said:
Hey me and Barry took a little trip to LA last week to find out what we didn't know and confirm what we did know about the HVX... read our findings here:

http://www.dvxuser.com/V3/showthread.php?t=35794
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Another updated feature is the placement of the speaker for audio. Unfortunately the audio section of the camera we had to work with was not working and so we couldn’t tell how well it functioned. It should be nice and loud though; moving it outside the LCD panel (like on the DVX100B as well) makes the speaker more useful if the LCD panel is closed.

I like the new speaker, the one on the DVX100A was too faint and ill positioned, although I realize such speakers have limited use just as the internal mic.

I've heard no mention of improvement of the power switch. On the DVX100A I hated it. Maybe I had a bad one, but it would grind against the back of the cam case when turning it, and then there was no definite "click" or tactile signal that it had entered the "on" position. It would just move no further, and then a few seconds later the cam would come on.:huh: Again, maybe I had a bad one.
 
That dumping of the P2 footage onto a drive is the sweetest thing I have ever heard. This makes the camera a dealbreaker for me now. I always imagined that it would be a pain the ass to get back to my NLE or a laptop everytime the P2 was filled up, which in my broke-ass case will be every 4 minutes. Now I can just unload onto a drive and find some AC - doesn't G-Tech make a laptop drive that uses the laptops power to power the unit ? If that were possible with the HVX, which I doubt, that will be a double plus super sandwhich cake.
 
Got to play with prototype HVX at Resfest hollywood and I'm sad to say...

Got to play with prototype HVX at Resfest hollywood and I'm sad to say...

I don't know how much cred I have around DVXuser as I haven't posted on this site in years and nobody here knows me well. But I'm a long time DVX user and one of the first guys to convene online and sing it's praises.

Now I know that this HVX that they had at Resfest Hollywood was a prototype that was far from finished BUT...

I saw something totally different than Barry and Jarred (both of whom I trust and respect) did:

1. There were very definite green and magenta color fringes/chroma abberations. Just like the DVX100 (my biggest qualm with it's otherwise OUTSTANDING price/performance image quality). And I'm afraid this won't ever be fixed to keep price from spiraling into orbit.

2. The detail was quite soft in comparison to the XL-H1 (the only other new HD camera out front).

3. I didn't feel the HVX had any latitude improvement over the DVX....which really gave me a sinking feeling.

I do agree with Barry and Jarred that the noise was very low. Much better than my grainy DVX. The smear was effectively suppressed everywhere I pointed the camera.

My problems? The detail and the latitude.
The detail I believe could be due completely to the fact that the signal was 1080i but it seems to me that it's more likely due to the fact that those CCD's are probably not 1440x1080. Really, I'm hopeful that it's just a 1080i issue since there is such a positive difference between 480p and 480i. Plus the Panasonic HD LCD monitors could have been a big part of the problem (not sharp enough?).

As it stands now it feels like an uprezzed lower resolution image. I have almost no doubt in my mind that they are 960x720 chips and pixelshifted every which way but sunday. It makes sense to use smaller resolution chips with larger pixels on them to enhance latitude and sensitivity... but when the camera seems to have absolutely no gain in latitude over a DVX, is slower (in terms of sensitivity) AND the image is softer than the Canon camera (which I use as a point of reference because we know it has a 1440x1080 imager for sure)...then you've just hurt the camera, not helped it.

The canon was more finished, had a cinegamma curve, almost NO chroma aberration and was running in the mysterious 24f mode (better than i worse that p) on a nice sony HD CRT Professional Monitor. This doesn't constitute a fair comparison but it looked sharper, richer and had better latitude... I hope once the HVX is finished with cinegamma in place, a progressive mode and a final lens, that the image is of comparable quality.

I really want it to be better. I've always found Panasonic's DVX100 to blow canon's cameras out of the water. Talking to Jan and reading her posts all of these years has also convince me of Panasonic's superior ability to listen to feedback and truly value it's customers. With the DVX it was as if Panasonic suddenly just cut through the fog and delivered exactly what we all wanted.

The XL-H1's HD-SDI tap to that Sony monitor was showing me the image that I wanted to see coming from the HVX-200. Maybe there is just no way to do it with a $6,000 camera (as the H1 is 8999.99). I just feel like the HVX should be able to get to that same level of quality when it's finished. That would be the camera that I buy immediately when it becomes available.
 
I've always noticed the DVX image was soft in 24P mode BUT that's becuase the preset always set the detail to -4. If you were looking at footage with a cine preset the detail again might have been set at the -4 setting making the image soft (I've always prefered -2 it takes the edge off of video but you don't lose much detail).

Also, I'm sure you know that the SDI out of the camera (XL-H1) is not the same quality that you will get on the tape. I'm fairly sure the SDI will bypass the retched MPEG2 compression that will actually be recorded.
 
braw said:
rgdfilms, it does dump straight to an of the shelf drive. What we need is cheap battery powered rechargeable enclosures.

What sucks is the ones I have seen are USB and not Firewire. Kinda wish they hadn't switched that or Firewire was included on these enclosures.
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Hey...I wonder if a nice little 60GB ipod would work...plenty of space and battery powered. Only problem I could see would be the speed of the drive. (Since I don't have one I'm also assuming it can be used as an exeternal drive. I've seen it used like that on a computer but I'm not 100% sure it could be used like that on it's own. Anyone know for sure?)
 
I know you could upload pictures to an ipod w/o a computer. my experience, though, has been that it is very very slow and took out all the juice of the battery for 256mb. But I have a 3rd generation ipod. I would be suprised if the newer ones were much faster.

But going from computer to ipod is pretty fast. I've used my ipod to store footage and completed projects in full resolution. They used the ipod for tranporting dailies in Lord of the Rings. So it can definately be used as an external drive.

But I would guess that uploading footage from the hvx w/o a computer would be slow. I could be wrong though. I've never used the newest ipods.
 
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