HVX in 60i?

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ggrantly

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Hello Listers,

After reading Barrys' comparison of the the Canon A1 and the HVX, my feable mind started to wonder about how well the HVX would perform in 60i compared to one of the HD Canons?

Another question along the same line is how well an XL2 would compare to the HVX in SD 16x9.

As a DVX owner, I am very happy indeed, but the lack of native 16x9 is where Panasonic dropped the ball.

If you think about it, assuming you could make a color match, the XL2 might match up better as a b cam for the HVX than the DVX. Before you flame me....think about what the DVX lacks: native 16x9 and the ability to use very long or very short lenses. I own some of the longer L series Canon 35mm prime lenses, and it is an intriguing thought to use one on the XL2 (aka chainsaw) for wildlife or the like.

OK, I am ready for the abuse. Barry, you may hold me whilst the rest swing away.

And Barry, I very much appreciated your review and opinions about the HVX and Canon as they were presented. I am more interested in hearing about how YOU actually compared the cams. One review will never be the final word, and I for one valued your comparison as is.

Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
 
The Canon gives up about 10-15% of resolution when going in 24F mode, so if you were comparing 1080/60i to 1080/60i, the Canon would have a sharper picture than the HVX would. Other differences (color & gamma) would be the same.

But an XL2 matching an HVX? Maybe better for SD sharpness as you surmise, yes, but for color & gamma the DVX can exactly match the HVX; the XL2 has a color palette more comparable to the XHA1. If you're willing to do all color correction/matching in post, then maybe, but if you want it to be a shoot-it-and-forget-it type of thing the DVX will get much closer. When matching two res-differing cams, it's usually recommended to use the lower-res one for your close-ups and the higher-res one for wide shots; that'll effectively mask the resolution difference.
 
If you are talking about the HVX in SD 60i, what Barry left out is that the HVX has major aliasing problems in SD interlace only that can give you serious and unacceptable "jaggies". Avoid it period. It is a flaw in the camera that Panasonic has not copped to. In SD stay in progressive.


- Lenny Levy
 
when i shoot events in SD i use the hvx as a tripod center stage immobile wide shot, and my dvx100a in squeeze to shoot closeups. the two match perfectly.
 
Hello Barry and others et al,

TimurCivan,
Are you satisfied with the DVX in squeeze mode matching up to the HVX in SD?

I am not as concerned about making the leap to HD as I am going to 16x9. I had a conversation with a few friends who have 16x9 TVs. All of them said they just hate and avoid 4x3 when possible. When asked about HD versus SD, they just kind of shrugged and asked "isn't all wide screen HD"? The point is, they didn't seem concerned about resolution nearly as much as formating for 16x9.
 
TimuCivan,
Are you shooting progressive or interlace?

If interlace and you haven't been burned yet don't worry you will.

It will not show up on every image though.

The jaggies will show up on contrasty diagonal lines. Its very easy to observe with a monitor and a camera pointed at the right image - the bright edges of shelves, a banister, a window sill etc. hold the camera diagonally and move it up and down. They will pop out.

- Lenny
 
ggrantly said:
Hello Barry and others et al,

TimurCivan,
Are you satisfied with the DVX in squeeze mode matching up to the HVX in SD?

I am not as concerned about making the leap to HD as I am going to 16x9. I had a conversation with a few friends who have 16x9 TVs. All of them said they just hate and avoid 4x3 when possible. When asked about HD versus SD, they just kind of shrugged and asked "isn't all wide screen HD"? The point is, they didn't seem concerned about resolution nearly as much as formating for 16x9.
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Yea it looks good. I mean, Clients really DONOT care about how much resolution the camera produces. They care that the camera looks cool. I SWEAR to GOD, ive had someone turn down and offer to shoot an event with my HVX because theri friend with an XL1 "might shoot it, and his camera has interchangeable lenses". The general public DOES NOT KNOW HD From a hole in the ground. 720? 1080? 480?

Just shoot and be happy. Keep the compositions spotless, and edit well noone will care about the slight res drop from a DVX in squeeze.

Also, I have never shot interlace with an HVX200. and i never will.
 
I use the XL2 and HVX in SD all the time, if you know what you are doing the XL2 cuts better, WAY better with the HVX, especially on similar length shots than the DVX. The CCDs are very similar on both cameras. The XL2 does have a little less noise but colors are more muted, you can negate the latter...but you add some noise. I can match an XL2 and HVX in such a way I could dissolve from shot to shot and you would never know...



ash =o)
 
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