HVX-200 Europe

It's almost three months before the cam comes out in Europe. Why not wait to see what the announcement actually is, instead of getting worked up over something that may turn out to be a non-event?
 
Hello Barry. It seems like that the european version of the HVX won't have 24p. You mention the fact that in europe we can shoot both tv projects and film projects at 25p. That is true. But as I have a film project in the US, I hardly can picture myself proposing to shoot it at 25p. Do I need to buy two cameras? One for film projects in europe and another one for film projects in the US?
I think this situation is a bit absurd and undermines my desire to buy it. What panasonic should do is to offer 24p to europe as well... then, and only then, it would be the best camera in the market... Is there a way i can petition for 24p in europe and present it to panasonic? best regards
 
IN Australia we end up with the same deal as you guys in Europe. There is only one main importer in australia and after paying for the tax and all I still saved 2 thousand importing it from singapore. IT s a joke. I thought we were all one global market and I dont buy the bull that Australia is such a small market that it cost the companies so much to import limited numbers.

In Australia the dvx1oo never took off due to this rubbish. Anyway like you guys I would fly to singapore to pick up my camera instead of buying it at home whether the custom guys catch me or not.
 
Is there a way i can petition for 24p in europe and present it to panasonic?
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Panasonic Europe offers a direct conduit for their users -- there is a forum on www.panasonic-broadcast.com. That site is for all of Panasonic Europe, and it lets you write directly to the decision-makers.

Because the European product isn't likely to come out on the market until March, there may indeed be time to get such a request in and perhaps they will be able to fit it in. I don't know that for sure -- I get all my info from Jan and a couple of Panasonic US engineers who were foolish enough to give me their e-mail addresses (heh heh) but that only applies to the US. They don't have any influence over how the European product turns out. So definitely post your concerns on the panasonic-broadcast.com forum, perhaps they can work it out for you.
 
Hi everyone,

this is my first post although I've been following these HVX threads for months. Big hats off to all the regular posters + Barry and Jared. Woo!
I'm a PAL DVX owner at the moment.

re PAL 24p on the HVX:

I was just reading up on the panasonic broadcast forum. One of the Swiss reps replyed that the there is a technical reason why they can't do 24p and that is because they would need a second crystal oscilator to manage the audio at that rate, hence too expensive to implement.

Does this sound reasonable? How have Canon/Sony managed it.

Here is a quote from the post:

3) The reason to do not have a 24p is a pure technical issue. In order to have audio while shooting in 24p in a Pal product, we would need a second cristal oscilator (one for video and one for audio). This would make the product quite more expensier. Due to this reason we decided not to have it in PAL products.

I hope it will answer your questions.

Best Regards

Jaume Rey
General Manager
European Sales & Marketing
Panasonic Broadcast Europe / PME
 
Welcome Milezee!...and thanks for the info!

It's too bad not have the 24p option, even as upgrade option...
 
Hi There,

I too have been following these posts of the release with interest and have not posted before.

I live in pal land.

Re the 24p feature in pal land.
I have also heard this is an audio problem.
If it is not possible to remedy this I think it would be worth petitioning panasonic for a 24p feature without audio.

If people were intending to finish on film or wanted to shoot at true 24 they could use a sound recordist.
 
"... a second cristal oscilator (one for video and one for audio) ..."

As soon as they want any 24something, they seem to need the second cristal oscilator. So just video is not an option either.

I think as long as you don't intercut 24p footage with 25p footage it is not a problem.

In fact, slowing down 25p a little to 24p may give a subtile slow-motion effect that makes your overall work a bit "cooler" and gives your pictures more momentum (this is just a guess of course ;)
 
flatwhite If it is not possible to remedy this I think it would be worth petitioning panasonic for a 24p feature without audio. If people were intending to finish on film or wanted to shoot at true 24 they could use a sound recordist.[/QUOTE said:
Well I can understand the demand for an real 60Hz/50HZ compatible camera (like the Z1) and with 24 P, but just the addition 24P (next the 25p) makes not so much sense.

If you want to go 25P-->24P all PAL filmout studios have lots of experience doing so. It is no problem! Even with rendering the sound without pitch. Normally you shoot 25P to be compatible with broadcasting and for USA film out release you transfer to 24P. Actually the 25P is a better format.:grin:
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Are the waterfalls frozen yet? I will start climbing in Stubaital next month.. Maybe I tak a small GS400 with me.
 
xray said:
Are the waterfalls frozen yet? I will start climbing in Stubaital next month.. Maybe I tak a small GS400 with me.
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yes, my friend is already climbing waterfalls for weeks. give me a PM and we can hook up when you get here.
 
Oli.S said:
Anyone who plans on flying over and picking up a cam in the US should be aware that he could get checked by the custom office. This could lead to a very expensive camera in the end.

"Hey I'm clever, I'll tell them I had it already when I took off to the US" won't necessarily work. They can demand a proof for that. (like the bill) Also, they can probably track a cam's way by telling Panasonic the Product-ID. If Pana tells them "yup, this particular cam had been delivered to the blabla video equipment store in the US" then you're in rouble.
I've heard from attempts to buy a cam the cheap way that went wrong quite a few times.
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I have been travelling in and out the US with my portabrace camerabag and never have I been asked where did you get the camera, is it new, , do you have a proof of purchase etc maybe just good luck ? Just make shure you don`t have anye meat in your bag, the beagles from customs get you immediately and then somebody might ask you by the way, where did you get this nice camera...
 
pete archer said:
I have been travelling in and out the US with my portabrace camerabag and never have I been asked where did you get the camera, is it new, , do you have a proof of purchase etc maybe just good luck ? Just make shure you don`t have anye meat in your bag, the beagles from customs get you immediately and then somebody might ask you by the way, where did you get this nice camera...
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I suspect you (and many others) are "lucky". Technically if you're bringing expensive bits of kit "through" a country I think you need a customs carnet.

It gets stamped on the way in and way out of a country and proves you have not bought (or sold) the equipment while you were there.

However, I don't know what the threshold is for needing one. I expect it's whether the kit looks professional or consumer...

HVX200 is a pretty fancy camera for a consumer, no?

Anyway, I suspect this because back in the days when I was a news production assistant I used to have to fill out damn carnets when our cameramen went off on jaunts around the world. Still, that was more than a decade ago, so I don't know if it's changed.
 
Even if you purchase overseas, then pay tax (on the purchase price of the receipts you'll show customs), you'll still pay less than if you purchased it in your own (European) country.
 
pmark23 said:
Even if you purchase overseas, then pay tax (on the purchase price of the receipts you'll show customs), you'll still pay less than if you purchased it in your own (European) country.
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That depends... You've got to pay import duty plus VAT. That could easily add another 40% (19% import duty to EU plus 15-25% VAT)
 
Alex Leith said:
That depends... You've got to pay import duty plus VAT. That could easily add another 40% (19% import duty to EU plus 15-25% VAT)
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I think import duty to Ireland which is EU is specifically on video cameras 4.9% and vat is 21%, you can claim vat back of course through your vat registered company if you have one.
Then the problem which we suffer in Ireland, is that the dealers here like to charge about 200% on most cameras - that's the real reason most people are buying online from here.
Even if you take a simple example like a digital stills camera, you can buy it online in the US and import to Ireland, pay Vat at customs even if you cant reclaim it, and the total price including shipping will be easily half that of retail outlets here, if not one third the price. I'm telling you that 'rip off Ireland' really exists.
Of course other European countries are not so bad and a few like Germany have retailers who compete well with the US online stores. Irish shoppers also go there.:cry:
 
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