HVX 200 Clips Timecode In FCP

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VaricamLife

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The footage was shot at 720pN.

Imported the media into FCP using the Import P2 fucntion built in (FCP 5.1.1). That all went down fine.

Check the Item Properties > Format and it says frame rate of 23.98 and compressor is DVC Pro HD 720p60. That's all fine as far I as know.

I'm scrubbing through the clip in the viewer. If I go frame by frame, every 24 frames I reach the next second. So that's fine, no worries. However the frame numbers are throwing me for a bit of a loop frankly. The frame numbers break 30 and count all the way up to 60, sort of, it hits like 58 and then goes to the next second at frame 01. Now I gather this has something to do with Native setting, but I'm just not grasping it and would appreciate if someone could break it down a bit for me. Everything seems fine footage wise, but with this as my first trip into P2 land, seeing frame numbers into the 40's and 50's is a little weird.

cheers.
 
Indeed

Indeed

Well I guess I never thought of it that way, lol. So then its the 2:3:3:2 math that would explain which particular frame numbers are lacking (not missing frames, but "missing" numbers if I scrub through in FCP one frame at a time)? I'm just trying to wrap my head around all the variety of new things like this that I'm coming across working with the HVX for the first time. So thanks for your patience.

cheers.
 
Actually if you have set up the timeline properly, in the 720P/24PN mode my recollection is that you need to set your capture at 23.98 and not at 60P. Your sequence should also be at 23.98 and there would not be any removal at all.

If you had captured at 60P with 24 frame capture, then you would probably have the 60 frame TC. So take another look at how it was imported in the first place and that may resolve the confusion.

Best,

jan
 
In FCP, if you import your P2 stuff, and want it at the native 24p, you have to check the box at the bottom of the P2 import window. Then you'll have your 24p clip native. Otherwise, you're importing a 60i clip no matter what your camera settings were.

In a 60i Sequence, you'll get to frame 59 then jump to the next second. In a native 24fps Sequence, you'll get to frame 23 then jump to the next second.

You have to match your Seqeunce Settings to the format of the clips you're using, otherwise they get translated to match your Sequence Settings. Seqeunce Settings will over-ride the clip's format once dropped into the Timeline.
 
Thanks

Thanks

Thanks for the responses Jan and Ben.

I tried putting my 60i P2 import onto a 23.98 timeline and it worked fine, no rendering or such needed. But yes, the sequence TC setting was then what everything was going by (so counting at 23.98). Only in the viewer was the TC different (and now I see why). I just totally forgot about the remove check box at the bottom of the import window, so thanks for that reminder Ben.

This is just what happens though when you change to a different camera part way through a shoot and hit the ground running with the new camera with no time to consider its ideosyncrecies (which is what I'm doing now unfortuneately). Oh well. Thankfully I do have all the raw state (contents/last clip) backed up so I can go back and adjust that. Thanks again.

cheers.
 
40s and 50s frames...

40s and 50s frames...

Jan_Crittenden said:
720P/60 has 60 frames, so if you didn't have numbers in the 40s and 50s what would those frames be called?
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Was still a little perplexed by this and now I realize where I'm getting confused with this side of things. I don't understand why/how the 40's and 50's frames exist because to my understanding anything (720, 1080, etc) over 60 is 60i. So if its interlaced that's 30 upper and 30 lower fields for only 30 complete frames. So it should still only count to 30? Sorry to be a pest on this question, but just trying to get a hold of this question. Thanks.
 
VaricamLife said:
Was still a little perplexed by this and now I realize where I'm getting confused with this side of things. I don't understand why/how the 40's and 50's frames exist because to my understanding anything (720, 1080, etc) over 60 is 60i. So if its interlaced that's 30 upper and 30 lower fields for only 30 complete frames. So it should still only count to 30? Sorry to be a pest on this question, but just trying to get a hold of this question. Thanks.
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720P is 60 progressive frames. Each frame stands on its own. The only device that records something different in 720P is the HVX200 in its Native modes. There and only there would you find TC that did not go up to 60. If you recorded 720P/24P that would be over 60 frames and thus there are 60 TC numbers.

In 1080i, this is an interlaced format, and in this format there are only 30 frames made up of 60 fields, but there are only 30 TC numbers.

Does this help?

Best,


Jan
 
Helps a lot, thanks

Helps a lot, thanks

Yes that does help Jan, thank you, again. I didn't realize something could be recorded at 60p. I thought the 720p the camera shot was converted to 60i on ingestion and that is what the 720p/60 meant. Never thought you could record 60p, but as you can then all the numbers do make sense. Thanks again for your replies.

cheers.
 
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