HVRZ1U film looks

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jin

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Hey all. Let's get something clear right now. I am a proud DVX owner/user and prefer this to anything for digital filmmaking, BUT....I was just hired to produce promos and commercials, marketing stuff, for a guy who owns the Sony HVR Z1U. I know its a good camera and all, but it doesn't really compare in the 24p range. SO....how would I be able to get a 35mm film look, or even better, a 70mm film look, with this camera. DVFilmmaker? Abel Cinetech? Someone please tell me this is possible. Think the BMW commercials by Ridley Scott. C'mon, this could make me!
 
The Z1's have Cineframe 25 or 50i modes, and it seems like people with these cams use that to achieve a film look. I've never used a Z1 but I've read about this in multiple boards. Barry? Anyone?

Kev
 
Not only is it possible, but there has been some amazing filmic looking stuff shot with that exact camera

Check out the stuff macgregor has been shooting:

http://personales.ya.com/autodrome/

He uses a PAL version of the Sony FX1, a Guerilla35 prototype lens adapter with Nikon SLR lenses.

The FX1 is essentially the same camera as the Z1u except that it doesn't have PAL/NTSC switchability

The Z1U shoots both PAL and NTSC. I would switch the camera to PAL format and shoot in Cineframe25 mode using some sort of lens adapter. You can buy an Micro35/M2 or maybe you could get the guys who make the g35 to sell you a prototype. Or you could rent the expensive P+S Mini35

Cineframe25 has the best film like cadence of all the Cineframe modes, and the Cineform AspectHD program can convert it to 24p.

Granted thats alot of hoops to jump through but the results speak for themselves
 
Cineframe25 has the best film like cadence of all the Cineframe modes, and the Cineform AspectHD program can convert it to 24p.

Granted thats alot of hoops to jump through but the results speak for themselves
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A lot of hoops? If you actually own AspectHD, all you do is shoot CF25 and capture. With the right capture settings you instantly have 24p files, proper sound, and 24p timelines to edit. No pull-downs - nothing. It's completely painless.

-Spiff
 
hey guys,

I've been following this thread, and must say that those visuals on macgregor's site look great.
The sound seems kind of low quality, though, especially when the music comes in. Is this just from compressing it for the web? Or was it how they recorded it?

What are the sound specs for that camera? Seeing that footage put it the ballpark for me to consider for my next camera.

regards,
david
 
Thanks for the feedback. Anymore? What about 70mm. How can that be achieved. Speaking of which, how does this apply to the DVX. What would look better in a 35mm transition? Could I concieve similar images with the two of these cameras? Anything would be helpful at this point. Anyone have any links to check out? Thanks.
 
"As far as I can see there's only two things you're leading right now....Jack and ****. Jack left town."
Anyone know this? You get a knock from me if you do.
 
jin said:
Thanks for the feedback. Anymore? What about 70mm. How can that be achieved. Speaking of which, how does this apply to the DVX. What would look better in a 35mm transition? Could I concieve similar images with the two of these cameras? Anything would be helpful at this point. Anyone have any links to check out? Thanks.
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Is there really a "look" to 70mm other than the size? I haven't seen too many IMAX movies but the last time I saw one it looked like 35mm just bigger. I could be wrong.

Kev
 
Spiff said:
A lot of hoops? If you actually own AspectHD, all you do is shoot CF25 and capture. With the right capture settings you instantly have 24p files, proper sound, and 24p timelines to edit. No pull-downs - nothing. It's completely painless.

-Spiff
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it dosnt capture 24p it captures cineframe a type of mock pulldown used to put it into a 29.97 timeline with upper dominance.
 
Uh... Nope. AspectHD 3.2 and up comes with the HDlink utility.

CF30 files it saves as progressive 30p Cineform files.
CF25 files it saves as progressive 25p Cineform files - OR - it slows down the footage 4% and encodes 24p Cineform files
CF24 it reverses the 2:3 pull-down and stores the footage as a pure 23.976 fps file.

I should know - I own it.

-Spiff
 
70mm? Jin...what exactly do you mean? Give me a film as an example? I'm a little foggy on my film stock knowledge. Are you talking about framing? Explain to me the difference between 35mm and 70mm to my knowledge 70mm was a process extracted from a 35mm negative, similar to the anamorphic 16x9 squeeze mode in some cameras. Your questions have me at a loss.

Oh yeah and the quote is from Army of Darkness...a.k.a. Evil Dead III...a.k.a Medievel Dead...a.k.a... Captain Supermarket (if you're from Japan).
 
Spiff said:
Uh... Nope. AspectHD 3.2 and up comes with the HDlink utility.

CF30 files it saves as progressive 30p Cineform files.
CF25 files it saves as progressive 25p Cineform files - OR - it slows down the footage 4% and encodes 24p Cineform files
CF24 it reverses the 2:3 pull-down and stores the footage as a pure 23.976 fps file.

I should know - I own it.

-Spiff
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At full resolution (1080) ?
 
Okay...70mm...I stand corrected, alas I still don't understand what you mean by the look of 70mm as opposed to the look of 35mm.

If it's a bigger film format you're never really going to achieve the same quality, not even 35mm quallity.

As far as the "look" well thats really subjective. Still at a loss as to what you mean.

You can approximate framing sizes (i.e. 1:70, 1:78, 1:85, 2:35, etc...) for sure. There are a few different ways to go about that.
 
At full resolution (1080) ?
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Cineframe-acquired footage is stored on the DV tape in an interlaced 15-GOP MPEG-2 transport stream as 1440x1080(i) with 4:2:0 colour sampling. Cineform's HDLink software transcodes this footage to the Cineform codec as 1440x1080 2-GOP 4:2:2.

In the case of the Cineframe files, they are transcoded to 1440x1080 progressive files - this improves compression performance and are edited on progressive timelines - vastly improving workflow. 60i files are compressed to 1440x1080 interlaced files and edited on interlaced timelines for the same reason.

The EFFECTIVE vertical resolution of the Cineframe video is 540 lines*. The information is STORED as 1080 lines. I prefer to think of the Cineframe files as closer to 1440x540 4:2:2 in terms of usable image quality, as opposed to 1440x1080 4:2:0.

*Enter Barry's point on CF24 files having variable vertical resolution depending on which field was used to generate the image.

-Spiff
 
I repeat: Cineform's HDLink software , available in both ConnectHD and AspectHD, reverses CF24 2:3 pull-down on capture.

-Spiff
 
Spiff_2 said:
I repeat: Cineform's HDLink software , available in both ConnectHD and AspectHD, reverses CF24 2:3 pull-down on capture.

-Spiff
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Yeah I looked at cineforms website and I looks like its all for PC.
 
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