HVR-ZIU - B&H - $4,900

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what most are saying is the evolution of HD would prevent them from buy this potential great cam today because of the delivery medium is not mainstream?
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No, I WOULD buy it, for the reason that I previously stated, because I can use the 24p now, and if HD comes sooner, all the better. Although, I would still wait for it to be out for a while, to let any bugs get worked out ;D
 
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hahaha ok so it's about HD AND 24P  :)... well Panasonic doesn't normally not give users what they want so I hope it does have 24P as clearly that is the magic button still.   ;D Obviously my comments of HDV is not for every application... 24P is not for every application means nothing. Clearly I guess there is HDTV24P and 720p... until we get to 1080P... no other options allowed! :D
 
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[quote author=The_Video_Guy link=board=sony;num=1106156074;start=90#97 date=01/29/05 at 23:17:47]but try walking into an electronic retail store to buy a new television sometime... you may find that they are starting to become rectangle shaped. [/quote]
Yeah, but... 16x9 TV's do not equal HD! People are buying more 16x9 televisions, yes, but they for the most part do not care at all whether the set is "HD" or not... they just want something they can watch their DVD's on, full-screen. A large percentage of the plasmas and LCD's out there are not HD-resolution. They can display an HD signal, yes, but does that make it an HDTV when it's running at 852x480 resolution?

And, of the HD sets that are being sold, what percentage of them include a tuner? Very, very, very few. Which means that these people are buying these sets and they have NO WAY to watch HDTV on them! No over-the-air broadcasts, no HD-DVD's, no D-VHS...

... and they don't care. Because the public, as a whole, does not know about, nor care about, HDTV.

The only reason they're buying HDTV's, I do firmly believe, is because that's all that's offered in the size they want to buy. Does anyone even offer an SD 50" projection TV anymore? I don't think they do (although I haven't bothered to research it). So they're buying a 50" projection TV, which just so happens to come with the ability to display an HD signal, which they can't use because they don't have a tuner, so... as far as they're concerned, they bought an SDTV.

EDTV and widescreen TV are becoming more popular, yes, (probably 10% of the sets in the US are 16x9 now) and 16x9 is quite popular in Europe, and European broadcasters are broadcasting in 16x9, so yes there will be more and more adoption of 16x9. But that isn't related to HDTV.
 
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hahaha ok so it's about HD AND 24P  
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Yes, it's about HD AND 24P!  Exactly! :)

For the same reason that filmmakers completely ignored HD until it offered 24P as well, and as soon as that combination was available, it revolutionized television production.  So it will be for us... we who enjoy the film look are not tempted by the Z1 or FX1, because they are interlaced cameras.  And CF24, CF25, and CF30 are no better than using CineLook on a PD150, and nobody here uses CineLook on a PD150.

I would buy the new camera today, IF ALL OTHER THINGS ARE EQUAL.  What I mean by that is, with the Z1, you lose about 2 to 2.5 stops of sensitivity over the DVX -- I don't like that.  You lose maybe 1.5 stops of latitude -- I don't like that either.  You lose 24p -- that's a dealbreaker.  You lose 5 different gamma settings, uncompressed audio, true manual zoom, and a few other things.  If Panasonic makes the camera you describe, but takes away essential features, then no, it can stay there on the shelf until there's a need for it (meaning, I get a client who demands that a job be shot in HD, and I won't get the job if it's not done in HD).

But if the hypothetical camera is every bit as good as a DVX, and adds HD resolution on top of it... why on earth WOULDN'T someone buy it?  That's the no-brainer of the decade.  (other than price, of course... if it's $6,000 and the DVX is $3,000, then there's still going to be plenty of DVX's sold).
 
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[quote author=Barry_Green link=board=sony;num=1106156074;start=90#103 date=01/30/05 at 01:04:16]
Yes, it's about HD AND 24P!  Exactly! :)
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But if the hypothetical camera is every bit as good as a DVX, and adds HD resolution on top of it... why on earth WOULDN'T someone buy it?  That's the no-brainer of the decade.  (other than price, of course... if it's $6,000 and the DVX is $3,000, then there's still going to be plenty of DVX's sold).[/quote]

I was going to throw in that it didn't have XLR but Panasonic wouldn't do that... ;D
I'll admit you have a way with words. I am defeated. :) Your have marketed the Panasonic very well! It's time for me to hit the hay. It's been a good chat though the last few days I've been working... a lot has been discussed. (Felt like my brain has been stimulated.) I actually agree with a lot of comments made here but my final conclusion for now for me is HD from the FX1 really does look amazing when viewed in HD... and at the moment, the potential of future uprez of my work to HD when it becomes available in a delieveralbe medium is the deal breaker and outweighs 24P SD... for now... (even if it is lowly 1080 50i / 60i "video like" HDV footage... ) ;) Can't wait for the next buzz which I'm sure will be in Panasonics court... 720 24P HD sounds like a nice new buzz....
What really sold me period on HD is seeing my SD footage on an HD Television... Ouch!... from all cams.. DVX, Canon and FX1 in DV mode! I wish there was another way to make the transition happen smoother and faster (in this price range of course).. can't have it all...

This is a pretty big transition... almost as big as the DV era back in the day...but clearly the deal breaker here for most is the 24P option. Sold! I'm on board when it comes out. Interesting comment Barry that if 24P is abanoned in a lower end HD cam release (which I don't see why it would be) the HD transition for some would feel would not be as crutial as 24P? (which explains why every here loves the FX1 & Z1... ;D) Let the HD technology war begin... HD DVD vs BlueRay, 1080i vs 720p, HDV vs DVCPRO HD...here we go.

Can wait for NAB... I hope Panasonic has some big tricks up their sleeve... and the if they do release HD.. for those who haven't seen it yet you won't believe your eyes... it really is incredible.
 
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[quote author=The_Video_Guy link=board=sony;num=1106156074;start=75#89 date=01/29/05 at 19:26:21]typically to clients I don't think you would say... ya I'm shooting with MiniDV.  Even though you are shooting with MiniDV, there is nothing wrong with dressing it up by saying your shooting on the DVX100 24P... there is some weight to that.[/quote]

No, that's EXACTLY what I tell them. I show them the benefit. Yes, it helps in marketing, because it DOES give them an added benefit, a definite look they couldnt get otherwise.

But shooting in HD and delivering SD conveys no similar benefit -- only a marketing one.
 
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[quote author=Barry_Green link=board=sony;num=1106156074;start=90#103 date=01/30/05 at 01:04:16]
Yes, it's about HD AND 24P!  Exactly! :)

For the same reason that filmmakers completely ignored HD until it offered 24P as well, and as soon as that combination was available, it revolutionized television production.  So it will be for us... we who enjoy the film look are not tempted by the Z1 or FX1, because they are interlaced cameras.  And CF24, CF25, and CF30 are no better than using CineLook on a PD150, and nobody here uses CineLook on a PD150.

I would buy the new camera today, IF ALL OTHER THINGS ARE EQUAL.  What I mean by that is, with the Z1, you lose about 2 to 2.5 stops of sensitivity over the DVX -- I don't like that.  You lose maybe 1.5 stops of latitude -- I don't like that either.  You lose 24p -- that's a dealbreaker.  You lose 5 different gamma settings, uncompressed audio, true manual zoom, and a few other things.  If Panasonic makes the camera you describe, but takes away essential features, then no, it can stay there on the shelf until there's a need for it (meaning, I get a client who demands that a job be shot in HD, and I won't get the job if it's not done in HD).

But if the hypothetical camera is every bit as good as a DVX, and adds HD resolution on top of it... why on earth WOULDN'T someone buy it?  That's the no-brainer of the decade.  (other than price, of course... if it's $6,000 and the DVX is $3,000, then there's still going to be plenty of DVX's sold).[/quote]

I think 90% of the membership of this board would buy that camera today, assuming they have the funds available to do so . . .
 
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This is a pretty big transition... almost as big as the DV era back in the day
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I think the really big difference is that the conversion to DV didn't require my clients to purchase new technology to reap the benefit of an improved product. Even when recorded to VHS the end product looked better than it did when I was using analog cams. But to get a benefit from HDV is going to require a very large investment by the consumer, and only time will tell as to how quickly they are willing to do this in significant numbers. I believe it's going to be a slow process without a big price drop in the components that are required. And as of this time, we don't really know what the price of the yet-to-exist components will be.
 
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I agree... none the less. If panasonic released a 24P model HD cam tomorrow in this FX1 - Z1 price range, I know I'm not the only one who would be on board. Regardless of current HD availability and accessibility, the transition is inevitable... and somehow.. someway, it get's cheaper and cheaper every year... I remember when the first Pioneer DVD-R burner came out couple years ago... a grand... now the average DVD-R drive out is about 80 bucks... that is a MAJOR cost drop! I'm sure it will apply to HD technology just as fast now that it's becoming more mainstream.
 
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If panasonic released a 24P model HD cam tomorrow in this FX1 - Z1 price range, I know I'm not the only one who would be on board
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Absolutely, that's the only thing that would push me to HD in the near future.
 
difference B/W Z 1 and FX 1

difference B/W Z 1 and FX 1

chi_red said:
There might be a slight difference because of cine gamma tone control 2,
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Isn't the picture quality of Z1 almost exactly the same as FX1?
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i have bought both the cameras Fx-1 and Z-1 u , i also think theres not much difference in both the picture qualities , but they call z-1 u professional camera and fx 1 is a consumer product , just because of the XLR audio option in Z-1u . do u know about any other difference in both the cameras ? please share
 
the major difference B/W these two cameras is of XLR audio input in the Z1 u , plus a few functions are additional in Z1 , but i also want to know that what makes Z 1 a professional camera and why Fx 1 is a consumer product .
 
hdv is mpeg 2 compressed. 25mb per sec stream. it is not, repeat, not anything like hd. the only thing it shares is the image size. therefore, an nle that supports hdv will not neccesarily support hd. vegas 6 for example.

of course there are ntsc and pal formats. there will be as long as america and europe don't do major construction on their electricity delivery methods. i think. barry?

i have no idea what you mean with the third question.

I own a z1u and have been shooting in pal c25 and slowing down the footage to 24p in vegas. you lose vertical resolution, but the image definitley moves like 24p. the c24 setting does not. hdv blows up great to film, much better than any 720x480 camera, simply because of it's size. there are many shops out there that talk specificaly about usin the z1 to blow up to film. apparently, it's pretty succesfull. i'd look it up but i don't feel like googling right now.
 
faisal qureshi said:
is there NTSC and PAL systems in HDV formats ?
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Yes. The North American/Japanese markets use 60hz HD, the Eurasian/Oceanic markets use 50hz.

They chose different frame rates to maintain backward compatibility with the libraries of 50+ years of standard-def tv that exist in PAL & NTSC formats.
 
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