Well Red doesn't record audio on board, so in that way I don't see it competing wth the HPX at all.
hpx vs. red - which one will win?
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Well Red doesn't record audio on board, so in that way I don't see it competing wth the HPX at all.
I've said elsewhere that I wish Panasonic had thought a little more about the form factor of the HPX (for those of us that live with a camera on our shoulder)... It's a very nice camera and the controls are all intuitively placed, based on years of - yes - an aging paradigm...
BUT there are minor things, like the fact that (because there's no tape drive and the only things that really have to line up are the lens and the chips) the whole thing could be lower and wrap around your shoulder more (like the new super16 Arriflex)..
The battery could be mounted low and sideways in back with the audio inputs above (to lower the center of gravity).
The cards slots could be in back (above the lowered battery) to make the body thinner...
Then I look at the Red.. Boy, I really like that Flash Gordon look and all those cool grips and the CRT finder tube..
But do I really want to have it on my shoulder for hours at a time? Can't tell, because I haven't seen all the parts in one place.. But...
For documentaries the potential of Red would be overkill...
Neither is perfect - yet - and even though I did have an opportunity to take over another guy's deposit on Red, I bought an HPX500 - and I'm shooting with it this week.
BUT there are minor things, like the fact that (because there's no tape drive and the only things that really have to line up are the lens and the chips) the whole thing could be lower and wrap around your shoulder more (like the new super16 Arriflex)..
The battery could be mounted low and sideways in back with the audio inputs above (to lower the center of gravity).
The cards slots could be in back (above the lowered battery) to make the body thinner...
Then I look at the Red.. Boy, I really like that Flash Gordon look and all those cool grips and the CRT finder tube..
But do I really want to have it on my shoulder for hours at a time? Can't tell, because I haven't seen all the parts in one place.. But...
For documentaries the potential of Red would be overkill...
Neither is perfect - yet - and even though I did have an opportunity to take over another guy's deposit on Red, I bought an HPX500 - and I'm shooting with it this week.
Kenn Christenson
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I guess the 4 balanced audio inputs on the side of the Red One go nowhere? http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1119
alexdias
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alexdias
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Ah, I stand corrected. I thought they'd scrapped those.
BigPoppaPump
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Smelni hit the nail on the head...
Smelni hit the nail on the head...
It too saw both rigs at NAB and the fact of the matter is that the Red footage was all shot on prototypes. I wonder how the process was. I'm sure there was an engineer on site to manage the bugs. Plus, we are in another engineering delay with the Red. I thionk in time, the red will be a solid product. However, the HPX right now is tested and proven technologyu and is a diverse product. You can do everything from cinematic style work to news on it and for some of us, it means being able to stay working.
I probably will own both someday, but I'm not ready to drop coin on a Red. I want at least a thousand to roll off the line before I buy. Its like buying a new car the first year out of Detroit. Always problems. Wait til year 2 or 3.
Smelni hit the nail on the head...
It too saw both rigs at NAB and the fact of the matter is that the Red footage was all shot on prototypes. I wonder how the process was. I'm sure there was an engineer on site to manage the bugs. Plus, we are in another engineering delay with the Red. I thionk in time, the red will be a solid product. However, the HPX right now is tested and proven technologyu and is a diverse product. You can do everything from cinematic style work to news on it and for some of us, it means being able to stay working.
I probably will own both someday, but I'm not ready to drop coin on a Red. I want at least a thousand to roll off the line before I buy. Its like buying a new car the first year out of Detroit. Always problems. Wait til year 2 or 3.
FutureDVXUser
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If Reel-Stream makes a Hydra or something for the HPX, it'll probably compete real well with Red... right?
Jay Nemeth
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Porsche vs Flying Car. I still haven't seen the flying car go over my neighborhood. The HPX500 is sitting here with the rest of my camera gear ready to go out on a project.
I'm not sure why some people are referring to the HPX as an ENG camera. It has the same form factor as a Sony f900. On any given day, Panavision has f900's in about one third of their prep stations. These guys are shooting features and episodics, not news. Luckily, there has been some standardizing on camcorder design so DP's can grab most any camera and start shooting without the learning curve.
The Red will be an amazing camera. Once the hardware, recording medium, and post workflow have proven themselves, I'll take it for a spin.
In the year that I've had the HVX200, I've dragged several post houses kicking and screaming into the 21st century. "No tape? We need tape! Give us tape!!!" they would chant. As soon as I force fed them a hard drive, and held their hand thru the whole process, they were sold. I recently did some work for an FX house in New York. They had given me their request for tape formats, but when I told them I could shoot on P2, they said, "Great, send us a hard drive."
P2 is here and it works great. I've shot over 400 cards worth of material and never had a single glitch or problem.
These cameras are just hammers for building your house. 4K is awesome, but it doesn't make you a better storyteller. Stop waiting and start shooting.
Jay
I'm not sure why some people are referring to the HPX as an ENG camera. It has the same form factor as a Sony f900. On any given day, Panavision has f900's in about one third of their prep stations. These guys are shooting features and episodics, not news. Luckily, there has been some standardizing on camcorder design so DP's can grab most any camera and start shooting without the learning curve.
The Red will be an amazing camera. Once the hardware, recording medium, and post workflow have proven themselves, I'll take it for a spin.
In the year that I've had the HVX200, I've dragged several post houses kicking and screaming into the 21st century. "No tape? We need tape! Give us tape!!!" they would chant. As soon as I force fed them a hard drive, and held their hand thru the whole process, they were sold. I recently did some work for an FX house in New York. They had given me their request for tape formats, but when I told them I could shoot on P2, they said, "Great, send us a hard drive."
P2 is here and it works great. I've shot over 400 cards worth of material and never had a single glitch or problem.
These cameras are just hammers for building your house. 4K is awesome, but it doesn't make you a better storyteller. Stop waiting and start shooting.
Jay
Jay Nemeth
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I'm gonna get with Barry and see how to do that. I've never figured out how to post screen grabs.
Barry_Green
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For screen grabs, click on the "member upload center" at the top/center of each forum page and it'll take you to a place where you can freely upload up to 10 megabytes of pictures. Then to include a picture, paste the link that the "member upload center" gives you.
Jim Brennan
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waefre
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What do you even mean when you say win? If we're just talking about which will sell more then of course the Hpx has a slight advantage as its already here. Its also marketed by a huge existing company. On the other hand if we're talking about making movies for the big screen the red seems to be made for that very thing and should win hands down.