How to reach something like that?

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arthurdealmeida

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Hey everyone! Good night.

I'll be shooting some live music videos and I want to get a audio recording quality like this video:

Does anyone know how he did this mic setup?

I tried to get something like that, but I don't think that's it (this was my first attempt):

This video above was recorded only in a lavalier mic.

Could anyone help me?

Thank you very much!


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Well the first one is possibly a mic hanging just out of frame from upstairs.. and has a lot of background (traffic?) noise in it, but has nice depth.
Second one sounds good to me also... quieter... possibly add a touch of reverb to it, or do it again with lav and record a "Plant Mic" on another channel and later mix together.
 
I suspect that the first one also had a guitar pickup getting the guitar sound. The voice had the thinness of a lav but the guitar sounded like a pickup or pos in body mic.

You can kind of tell from your experiments. Your vocal has a similar quality but the guitar sounds thinner and more distant.

Now it's possible that the first used a pair of shotguns just out of frame line but I suspect a pickup.
 
You're strumming, he's picking. He's singing quietly, You're belting. Big difference there. A directional mic from above and out of frame could do it.

The background noise is unacceptably high on the first cut.

Hiding a directional plant mic in the railing to the right would give you this, but probably not the kid whispering at the door, unless it was in front of the player and aimed at him from below. That might give you the kid, but it a guess.

Regards,

Ty Ford
 
BRH said:
Well the first one is possibly a mic hanging just out of frame from upstairs.. and has a lot of background (traffic?) noise in it, but has nice depth.
Second one sounds good to me also... quieter... possibly add a touch of reverb to it, or do it again with lav and record a "Plant Mic" on another channel and later mix together.
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That's true, I can try that! Thank you!

Noiz2 said:
I suspect that the first one also had a guitar pickup getting the guitar sound. The voice had the thinness of a lav but the guitar sounded like a pickup or pos in body mic.

You can kind of tell from your experiments. Your vocal has a similar quality but the guitar sounds thinner and more distant.

Now it's possible that the first used a pair of shotguns just out of frame line but I suspect a pickup.
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Hey Noiz2, I didn't know about this pickup mic, i'm a beginner, you see.. Could you show me some models of it?

tyreeford said:
You're strumming, he's picking. He's singing quietly, You're belting. Big difference there. A directional mic from above and out of frame could do it.

The background noise is unacceptably high on the first cut.

Hiding a directional plant mic in the railing to the right would give you this, but probably not the kid whispering at the door, unless it was in front of the player and aimed at him from below. That might give you the kid, but it a guess.

Regards,

Ty Ford
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Hey Ty Ford, i was searching for plant mic, but still didn't realized what it is, sorry for that, i'm brazilian and here we use different names, i just can't find it (i'm searching on B&H Store), could you help me?
 
Some acoustic guitars have a pickup under the bridge or have a mic installed on the inside usually with a jack in the strap button. There are pickups you can stick on temporarily but you would see those. My Takamine for instance has a piezo bridge pickup. We never see the end of the guitar so there could be a cable or wireless attached to a jack there.

But listening to the end where he gets up (we can't see him anymore) the BG stays pretty constant even though it sounds like he has moved so I'm guessing at least one mic was in a fixed position. So if they were using a pickup then it would be his vocal mic. It's also possible, I guess that they are using a single mic aimed at the sound hole and his voice is thin because he is off axis???

HTe guitar sounds pretty nice but I think his voice sounds really thin and scratchy. I don't think it's his voice but the mic or placement that is the problem there.

Oh and a "plant mic" is just a mic that you have "planted" (as in put in a fixed position) someplace. It's not a "kind" of mic but a mic placement.
 
No Problema!

A plant mic is simply a mic planted out of sight, but in the shot.

Do you have a name for that?

Regards,

Ty Ford
 
Noiz2 said:
Some acoustic guitars have a pickup under the bridge or have a mic installed on the inside usually with a jack in the strap button. There are pickups you can stick on temporarily but you would see those. My Takamine for instance has a piezo bridge pickup. We never see the end of the guitar so there could be a cable or wireless attached to a jack there.

But listening to the end where he gets up (we can't see him anymore) the BG stays pretty constant even though it sounds like he has moved so I'm guessing at least one mic was in a fixed position. So if they were using a pickup then it would be his vocal mic. It's also possible, I guess that they are using a single mic aimed at the sound hole and his voice is thin because he is off axis???

HTe guitar sounds pretty nice but I think his voice sounds really thin and scratchy. I don't think it's his voice but the mic or placement that is the problem there.

Oh and a "plant mic" is just a mic that you have "planted" (as in put in a fixed position) someplace. It's not a "kind" of mic but a mic placement.
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Wow! Thanks!
You think that if I use a lav for each voice/guitar and then a condenser for the ambience sound would be nice?


tyreeford said:
No Problema!

A plant mic is simply a mic planted out of sight, but in the shot.

Do you have a name for that?

Regards,

Ty Ford
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Hahaha Obrigado!
And yes, we can translate that, it's a "microfone plantado" or "microfone fixo".
Thank you man!
 
arthurdealmeida said:
Wow! Thanks!
You think that if I use a lav for each voice/guitar and then a condenser for the ambience sound would be nice?
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Are you trying to do a live "documentation" ie all as it "really is"? Because I wouldn't aim at recording the "ambience".

First because that will also pick up the playing and could lead to some phasing issues but also because you can probably record a nicer ambience and layer it in. But not if it needs to be a strict documentation of the song.

I'm not sure the lav will do justice to the guitar, though some of the in guitar mics are basically lavs, so?
 
Noiz2 said:
Are you trying to do a live "documentation" ie all as it "really is"? Because I wouldn't aim at recording the "ambience".

First because that will also pick up the playing and could lead to some phasing issues but also because you can probably record a nicer ambience and layer it in. But not if it needs to be a strict documentation of the song.

I'm not sure the lav will do justice to the guitar, though some of the in guitar mics are basically lavs, so?
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I was wondering to get eventual nature sounds. Actually, i didn't want to sound as a studio-quality music, you know what i mean? i just want to sound natural. Are you suggesting me to record the "ambience" sound separately, after the audio/video recording? Did I get it right?

When we did this first attempt we wired the guitar into a pc sound system, but it clipped. Do you think it would work?
 
Well everything which you record...you can use... what you don't record you can not use...

And it also depends it fits... a train passing will not fit...the neigbour destroying his house...Will not fit...

birds singing...might fit...
 
I've asked Craig Shimala (the video producer itself) and he told me that:

Hey Arthur,

I just used a table top microphone for all performances.
I used a Zoom H4n and H2N on each shoot and used which ever one sounded best.

samsontech.com/zoom/products/handheld-audio-recorders/h2n
zoom.co.jp/english/products/h4n/

Thanks for checking out the videos.

Craig​
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I didn't know that this Zoom recording devices were so powerful, where did he hide them to get this clear and powerful guitar sound?

 
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