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HMC80 file naming issue
- Thread starter ELN614
- Start date
Barry_Green
Moderator
Are you talking about in DV mode, or AVCHD mode?
I'm assuming that the issue here is something along the lines of this:
User films three clips: 0000.mts, 0001.mts, 0002.mts
User deletes clip: 0001.mts
User films two clips: 0001.mts, 0003.mts
So, in order of clip title: 0000.mts, 0001.mts, 0002.mts, 0003.mts
And, in order of time filmed: 0000.mts, 0002.mts, 0001.mts, 0003.mts
What I usually do is, after getting them into a folder on my PC, I switch the view of the folder from "Name" to "Date Modified," thus putting them in the order of creation, and then re-title as necessary.
User films three clips: 0000.mts, 0001.mts, 0002.mts
User deletes clip: 0001.mts
User films two clips: 0001.mts, 0003.mts
So, in order of clip title: 0000.mts, 0001.mts, 0002.mts, 0003.mts
And, in order of time filmed: 0000.mts, 0002.mts, 0001.mts, 0003.mts
What I usually do is, after getting them into a folder on my PC, I switch the view of the folder from "Name" to "Date Modified," thus putting them in the order of creation, and then re-title as necessary.
Barry_Green
Moderator
That's how the AVCHD files work, but not how the DV files work.
In DV mode, the names are four (or five?) numbers, followed by a couple of random characters, so you get a filename like "0002HQ.avi" and "0003JM.avi". That works fine, *unless* that first random character is a number instead of a letter. That can throw everything off.
For example, you could have:
0001UU.avi
0002JL.avi
0003M5.avi
00041R.avi
0005S2.avi
That would be a five-clip sequence, recorded in sequence, and that's how they would appear if you sorted them by date.
If you look at the numbers, you can see there's four numbers, in ascending order...
0001UU.avi
0002JL.avi
0003M5.avi
00041R.avi
0005S2.avi
However, that's not how Premiere would show them in the bin. It'd show them like this:
0001UU.avi
0002JL.avi
0003M5.avi
0005S2.avi
00041R.avi
It gets "0004" messed up, because the first of the random characters (the "1R") is a number. So premiere sees it as if it's this:
00041R.avi
It thinks it's clip 41, instead of clip 4.
It's a problem, and I've asked them to consider updating the firmware to prevent that first random character from ever being a number. Until then, the way to keep 'em sorted is to use the recorded time & date, instead of sorted by filename.
In DV mode, the names are four (or five?) numbers, followed by a couple of random characters, so you get a filename like "0002HQ.avi" and "0003JM.avi". That works fine, *unless* that first random character is a number instead of a letter. That can throw everything off.
For example, you could have:
0001UU.avi
0002JL.avi
0003M5.avi
00041R.avi
0005S2.avi
That would be a five-clip sequence, recorded in sequence, and that's how they would appear if you sorted them by date.
If you look at the numbers, you can see there's four numbers, in ascending order...
0001UU.avi
0002JL.avi
0003M5.avi
00041R.avi
0005S2.avi
However, that's not how Premiere would show them in the bin. It'd show them like this:
0001UU.avi
0002JL.avi
0003M5.avi
0005S2.avi
00041R.avi
It gets "0004" messed up, because the first of the random characters (the "1R") is a number. So premiere sees it as if it's this:
00041R.avi
It thinks it's clip 41, instead of clip 4.
It's a problem, and I've asked them to consider updating the firmware to prevent that first random character from ever being a number. Until then, the way to keep 'em sorted is to use the recorded time & date, instead of sorted by filename.
I'm sorry for failing to mention what I was shooting---- DV. I use this camera strictly for depositions which means I only shoot DV.
Unfortunately the NLE is presently busy so I can't show you the naming of all the files and how it shows them, but Barry has it about right.
I told several people to hold off from buying this camera because of this problem. I plan not to buy my second HMC80 until they fix this ridiculous design flaw. It is too easy to set the clips up in the wrong order. (My guys are too lazy to check the order, so that makes me double check their work which I hate doing.)
I plan to do a review of this camera (for all of you) when I have a chance. This camera has many "what were thinking?" design 'faux pas'.
Whole different topic: I wish Panasonic bought many of us lunch/dinner at NAB to discuss in a 'focus group' style setting on how to improve their product and what the end users are looking for or expect out of a camera in this modern age. It amazes me that I bought the Panasonic Supercams (DP800) with 1/2 chips for ~$7k, but they can't make a similarly sized chip camera 15 years later with an ENG lens for about the same amount of money. (don't forget solid state cameras lack tape transports that had millions of little price adding parts)
Unfortunately the NLE is presently busy so I can't show you the naming of all the files and how it shows them, but Barry has it about right.
Yeah Panasonic really blew this 'naming' in a big way. All they had to do is name the file 1,2,3 or using the actual date.time.xxx (whatever they wanted after that letter or numbers) PP and Windows can't figure it out. Unfortunately PP does not allow to sort by time.(that I am aware of in PP 1.5) I have to pluck one file at a time or a few at a time but not all. (FYI: I do have CS5, but in PP1.5 I can just drop into the time line, set chapters every 10 minutes and say make DVD and done... no need to do the Encore thing)That's how the AVCHD files work, but not how the DV files work.
In DV mode, the names are four (or five?) numbers, followed by a couple of random characters, so you get a filename like "0002HQ.avi" and "0003JM.avi". That works fine, *unless* that first random character is a number instead of a letter. That can throw everything off.
For example, you could have:
0001UU.avi
0002JL.avi
0003M5.avi
00041R.avi
0005S2.avi
That would be a five-clip sequence, recorded in sequence, and that's how they would appear if you sorted them by date.
If you look at the numbers, you can see there's four numbers, in ascending order...
0001UU.avi
0002JL.avi
0003M5.avi
00041R.avi
0005S2.avi
However, that's not how Premiere would show them in the bin. It'd show them like this:
0001UU.avi
0002JL.avi
0003M5.avi
0005S2.avi
00041R.avi
It gets "0004" messed up, because the first of the random characters (the "1R") is a number. So premiere sees it as if it's this:
00041R.avi
It thinks it's clip 41, instead of clip 4.
It's a problem, and I've asked them to consider updating the firmware to prevent that first random character from ever being a number. Until then, the way to keep 'em sorted is to use the recorded time & date, instead of sorted by filename.
I told several people to hold off from buying this camera because of this problem. I plan not to buy my second HMC80 until they fix this ridiculous design flaw. It is too easy to set the clips up in the wrong order. (My guys are too lazy to check the order, so that makes me double check their work which I hate doing.)
I plan to do a review of this camera (for all of you) when I have a chance. This camera has many "what were thinking?" design 'faux pas'.
Whole different topic: I wish Panasonic bought many of us lunch/dinner at NAB to discuss in a 'focus group' style setting on how to improve their product and what the end users are looking for or expect out of a camera in this modern age. It amazes me that I bought the Panasonic Supercams (DP800) with 1/2 chips for ~$7k, but they can't make a similarly sized chip camera 15 years later with an ENG lens for about the same amount of money. (don't forget solid state cameras lack tape transports that had millions of little price adding parts)
Barry_Green
Moderator
I have requested that this issue be fixed via a firmware update. Of course, I have no idea if the company will actually do so, but I can see it as being an issue and I think it would be good for them to fix it.
I am lucky enough that I have the time date stamp burned into the image. I feel bad for all others. (but I doubt many people are shooting in DV) Other thing is I tend to use my Firestore files vs. the camera's SDHC card files.I have requested that this issue be fixed via a firmware update. Of course, I have no idea if the company will actually do so, but I can see it as being an issue and I think it would be good for them to fix it.