HMC150 vs 5D footage anywhere

[Exact]

The 5DM2 is superior with FAST LENS. Its common sense. Fast Lens ...More light. I call it cheating but ....

It's really much more complicated than that. I've been doing a LOT of cross testing and there is much more to it than 'use a fast lens' or don't use the 'kit lens'. Fast lens or not, the 5D2 and 7D still need elevated ISO settings (e.g. ISO 1250) to match the exposure levels the HMC can achieve when the IRIS is open.

If you are using 'fast glass' (e.g. 1.2, 1.4 etc) then you have other problems to deal with, like depth of field / focusing challenges on the 5D2/7D that you simply don't have on the HMC. OTOH, if shallow DOf is what you are looking for then the HMC simply can't achieve it.

If you are looking for 'wide' and 'up close' and shallow(ish) then the 5D2 is the clear winner with the 7D very close behind. However, once you get past the 135mm range (which I shoot a lot of) the 5D2 and 7D's advantage are not quite so clear, especially if you need more than a couple of feet of DOF. There are times when shallow DOF just won't work because things (people) are moving too fast for you to keep rack focusing with the required accuracy.

.....fact is fact. Now if you but the kit lens up with the HMC150 then of course the 5DM2 is going to have problems and have to up the ISO.

'Fact is fact' is an interesting way of looking at things. It depends on what 'facts' you are considering and what you intend shooting. The example video posted by RenewableEnergyNews would have been useless if 95% of the property had been out of focus due to shallow DOF.

There is much more to consider than simply using a fast lens.

 

[Alejo_NIN]

i don't believe the fight is fair.
is like saying,
what's better a ferrari or a honda civic.
they both got their pro's and cons.

one has great picture, the other can take video longer than 12 minutes.
one is ergonomically designed to be used as a video camera, the other one is a point and shoot with the ability to take video.

i do believe that hands down the 5D will kick HMC's ass on video quality and the beloved "DOF"

with that said, this is apple and oranges.

i don't see why someone wouldn't have BOTH as tools of the trade.

 

[Exact]

one has great picture, the other can take video longer than 12 minutes

LOL

If only it were as simple as that ....

If I didn't know better, I could have read that and thought the HMC can't produce good pictures. Don't let any one tell you that. The HMC can produce some stunning pictures AND can record for more than 12 minutes

 

[Alejo_NIN]

sorry sorry
what i meant to say was the DOF value of it...

duh, sometimes i should just shut up....i try to be active and stuffs
hope i didn't confuse anyone.

i love the hmc40!

 

[8string]

5d/T2i vs. HMC150 in low light...no comparison

5d/T2i vs. HMC150 in low light...no comparison

I own both a T2i and an HMC150, and just shot in a low lit club with both, using the T2i as a B camera. I have to tell you, I did my best with the 150, but it could not even get close to the T2i in terms of color rendition, and overall latitude. The B camera ended up being the A camera...I shot mostly wide open on both, and wide angle, with some closeups. I'll post some comparisons soon, but will be buying more Canon still/video cameras in the future. Just today picked up an L series 70-200 zoom for outdoor use in the rain with my T2i (soon to be a 7d).

I won't be selling my HMC150, as it, as some have mentioned, has features that the still cameras don't (I've already lost some footage due to not being able to monitor my sound on the Canon!). I want to be able to shoot more than 12 mintues (I have already recieved the dreaded 'overheating' warning, and yes, it happens frequently in club shooting). And I love the overall ability with the HMC150. It's a pro camera no matter what the high end folks say. A friend that just used my camera in a pinch, and has used Sony competitors for years, after shooting with my camera for a day said, "I want one, this is much more useable than my Sony (she loved the focus assist that was placed right and much more useable than the Sony)". But let's get real. I have shot some great stuff in clubs with my 150, but when the lights are really low, the 5d/7d/T2i will really shine. That larger sensor is just phenomenal. I'm expanding my Canon kit, and won't be looking at more Panny's anytime soon. Even without the XLR in. I'll just by the adapter and run through my Zoom and/or Mixpre. I'll get the overall FOV with the 150 and the 'run and gun' with the T2i.

 

[snowleopard]

This comparison, and some like it, seem to go on every single day. Both by individuals, and in web debates. But I have to say as I've said many times before, it's the carpenter, not the tools. Though it never hurts to have the best tool for the job.

Think of it as like having a toolbox. Picture yourself building a dog house, and you have ball-pean hammer and nails, but only a single cross cut saw. You could take care of all the cuts that way and pound all the nails with a lot of hard work, and someone with skill probably has tricks that you don't, making less cuts, and driving less nails. But it would be a lot easier and superior, to have both the cross cut and the rip saw, and a claw hammer. To me cameras, and all gear really, are the same way. The more tools you have, the better your ability to craft your work. But really, it's the skill set that makes the difference.

 

[Exact]

I own both a T2i and an HMC150, and just shot in a low lit club with both, using the T2i as a B camera. I have to tell you, I did my best with the 150, but it could not even get close to the T2i in terms of color rendition, and overall latitude.......

I think in a club environment the DSLR is always going to win provided you are shooting wide angle with a fast lens (and can capture audio well enough with the DSLR or by other means).

Where the DSLRs fall down is at the longer focal lengths in low light and when you need more DOF.

Different tools, different results.

 

[Andrew Clark]

For those of you filming (with the 5d) in a "club" environment, doesn't the strobe light flashing cause a partial flash lit frame because of the CMOS sensor?! Also, there was a example of a laser light, in a nightclub as well as an outside event, hitting the 5d sensor and it killed a few pixels instantaneously!! There are a few examples on the web; just do a search for them and you'll see the results.

So I think the 150 would definitely handle the "strobe light" stuff but definitely not the laser!! I don't think any camera would survive that...except maybe a film camera. But then again I wouldn't want to be looking through the viewfinder at that moment either!!

 

[handymus]

This comparison, and some like it, seem to go on every single day. Both by individuals, and in web debates. But I have to say as I've said many times before, it's the carpenter, not the tools. Though it never hurts to have the best tool for the job.

Think of it as like having a toolbox. Picture yourself building a dog house, and you have ball-pean hammer and nails, but only a single cross cut saw. You could take care of all the cuts that way and pound all the nails with a lot of hard work, and someone with skill probably has tricks that you don't, making less cuts, and driving less nails. But it would be a lot easier and superior, to have both the cross cut and the rip saw, and a claw hammer. To me cameras, and all gear really, are the same way. The more tools you have, the better your ability to craft your work. But really, it's the skill set that makes the difference.

Well said...indeed.

I have the HMC150 and just picked up a 60D...(upgraded from a 40D). 60D has the same sensor as the 7D, and is less $$ - but I haven't had a chance to really test it out yet. (Photo or video)

Interesting thing I spotted the other day...Hawaii 5-0 was filming in front of my work place and when I went to leave for the day, I took a look at their camera car. It had DSLR's all over it...3 in the front and 3 mounted in the back....I find that very interesting. I would think that they were 5D's, but was too far to really see for sure.