F5: Hiring F5 for a job next week and have a question or two

[Sparky874]

Hi. I am hiring an F5 with OLED VF for a week to produce a film around the Women's British Open in St Andews.
I currently shoot most of my work with a Sony F3 (or F35 if I can), but after working at the Open in Scotland last week with the F3, I was getting a little fed up with just how heavy it was with the V-LOK battery at the back, Samurai hanging off, TV logic monitor etc, etc. So I thought, love the F3's S-LOG image - why not just get that with an F5 with a much easier camera to manage!

Can I record to the internal cards, using the cameras S-LOG option as MXF files, with a high enough bitrate for grading? Is 50 mbps good enough? I am only interested in recording 1080 or possible 2K. The frame rate options seem like a good bonus too, but which ones are available at the moment shooting at this resolution.

I would love to just switch on the camera, choose the S-LOG options, and shoot away as I did with the F3.

Thanks all! Sparky x

 

[Fotojorno]

XAVC HD will be plenty good enough for S-Log2 in the F5, Mpeg would "work" but why use it? Right now 1080 60p is the fastest frame rate available.

 

[Sparky874]

Thanks Foto. Do you what is the bitrate is for XACV HD? Do you use an F5/ F55? - I was wondering what exposing it was like without a waveform assist in the view finder.

Thanks, Sparky

 

[Grug]

Thanks Foto. Do you what is the bitrate is for XACV HD? Do you use an F5/ F55? - I was wondering what exposing it was like without a waveform assist in the view finder.

Thanks, Sparky

Bitrate is 100Mbps, so twice the size of XDCAM, but you get 10-bit and intraframe recording for the size penalty. I found XAVC 1080p pretty comparable to 140Mbps ProRes422. Though to my eye, you can't push the image quite as far as you can with 220Mbps ProresHQ.

XAVC is a really nice file-size/image-quality ratio IMO.

 

[starcentral]

Hi. I am hiring an F5 with OLED VF for a week to produce a film around the Women's British Open in St Andews.
I currently shoot most of my work with a Sony F3 (or F35 if I can), but after working at the Open in Scotland last week with the F3, I was getting a little fed up with just how heavy it was with the V-LOK battery at the back, Samurai hanging off, TV logic monitor etc, etc. So I thought, love the F3's S-LOG image - why not just get that with an F5 with a much easier camera to manage!

Can I record to the internal cards, using the cameras S-LOG option as MXF files, with a high enough bitrate for grading? Is 50 mbps good enough? I am only interested in recording 1080 or possible 2K. The frame rate options seem like a good bonus too, but which ones are available at the moment shooting at this resolution.

I would love to just switch on the camera, choose the S-LOG options, and shoot away as I did with the F3.

Thanks all! Sparky x

Looks like Bill & Grug already answered your question, but here is some more information that might help out if it is your first time using the F5/F55 : http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?309119-First-Time&p=1986332208&viewfull=1#post1986332208

I am only shooting slog for all my projects on the F5/F55 and they are great for grading, the biggest issue right now is no monitoring LUT so you have to really figure out a system that works for you on gauging the exposure. Some will suggest zebras at 60% and using highlights on ridges of the face, etc.. while my favourite is ext. monitor with waveform monitor, but if you want a light setup maybe you want to stick with the Sony OLED just note depending on the scene you are shooting it can look very dark. I think shooting the Womens British Open won't give you a lot of trouble exposure-wise.

Lastly the XDCAM is 8-bit but 422 so still a bit better over F3 XDCAM 8-bit 420, but the XAVC will give you 10-bit 422 if you really need the extra bits for grading. In my observations I would do as many have suggested and shoot SLOG using 10-bit. Especially since the F5 with OLED has no decent exposure tool, so it could be in post you will need to move your image around by a stop or more here or there, etc.

 

[Fotojorno]

Thanks Foto. Do you what is the bitrate is for XACV HD? Do you use an F5/ F55? - I was wondering what exposing it was like without a waveform assist in the view finder.

Thanks, Sparky

Everything Grug said. Yes, I do own a F5 and have no problem properly exposing Slog. I use the Zacuto EVF instead of the Sony which has zebras that go down to 33 or a Small HD DP6 monitor with False Color when not hand held and of course the easiest, a cine light meter. The camera is rated properly that by setting the meter to ISO 2000 (compensate when using ND) you'll get a pretty spot on exposure putting your image at 33% gray, as compared to 38% with the F3.