HD Plasma/LCD screen

Cees Mutsaers

Cees Mutsaers

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What are the prerequisites for a screen to view HDV or DVCproHD in its full resolution if the cam is connected directly to the screen ?
Which connectors should the screen possess?
Any other requirements????
 
Cees Mutsaers said:
What are the prerequisites for a screen to view HDV or DVCproHD in its full resolution if the cam is connected directly to the screen ?
Which connectors should the screen possess?
Any other requirements????
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First and above all it must show 1920x1080 unscaled. Like Apple's 23" Cinema Display or Dell's 24", if you love LCD. Plasmas at that resolution are pretty expensive imho.

Best,
Peter
 
At my place the same size plasma's are much cheaper than LCDs. Moreover the image quality of a LC display is not that great. The sharpness and colours look very artificial.
 
edit: ...i thought plasmas had a bad lifespan ..only a few years.. but apparently they've come a long way lately. newer models say they should last as long as a CRT or LCD equivilent. hmmm good stuffs ..gues ill actually get one now.
 
iamloser : from which area are you. In the beginning of plasma they had problems like "lifetime", "burning-in", "low contrast", "low luminesence" etc. etc. Times flies and those issues are solved. The only thing left is the high power consumption but if you can afford a HVX that will not be an issue!!!
 
Jan does Panasonic have a plasma (I think they even don't sell LCDs >32") which can handle all the resolution the HVX is capable off?
 
Cees Mutsaers said:
What are the prerequisites for a screen to view HDV or DVCproHD in its full resolution if the cam is connected directly to the screen ?
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My laptop does 1920x1200 natively, which is the reason I sought it out - obviously the portability is cruicial for the HVX, but it also displays HD material at full resoultion. I'm sure it cost a lot less than a plasma that can do that resolution, and I've additionally got a great computer on top of that! :)
 
"i thought plasmas had a bad lifespan ..only a few years"

That was a myth.

As for resolution, the reality is that higher definition is not necessary appreciated or even seen on a smaller set. how well you see a picture has more to do with contrast ratios that resolution numbers:

http://www.bluesky-web.com/high-and-why.html
http://www.bluesky-web.com/numbers-mean-little.htm
http://www.tvtechnology.com/features/Masked-Engineer/F_Orazio-04.18.05.shtml
http://www.tvtechnology.com/features/Masked-Engineer/f_Surprise__HDTV.shtml
 
Haakon : what kind of laptop do you have? Actually I was not talking about a display for edditing purposes but only to show customers the final result on a large screen.
 
Myself bought a Dell Inspirion 6000 with a 15 inch wide display with resolution 1920*1200. Also with the HVX in mind.

That doesnt mean that i will by the HVX but i thought i would be foolish not take it in consideration.
 
Mine's an HP... I had to get a "business" laptop because they don't offer 1920 in the consumer models (or at least they didn't 6 months ago). I bought it with the HVX in mind, but that wasn't the driving reason... I just like more screen real estate to be able to do as many things at one time as I can. A 30" monitor is pretty pointless to me if it's set to 1024x768.
 
Haakon : which is the type nr of the HP laptop?

Which edditing software are you planning to use to edit the HVX stuff. Are those laptops powerfull enough???????
 
Pretty much almost every plasma you see in the commercial market (e.g. @ electronics stores like Circuit City or Best Buy) are not going to display 1080 natively. They're all going to be 720p (well 768 technically but they just round it off) and they'll downconvert any 1080 signal. The only exception to this MIGHT BE the latest HD Hitachi model. It says it has a 1024 x 1024 (again, rounded off to 1080) resolution but that might be some trick they use to "upconvert" to 1080 when it is actually 720. Sharp does have a 45" LCD that is supposedly 1080p natively, but don't buy it, it looks like utter crap. The 720p plasmas next to it at my Circuit City look a ton better in terms of color, perceived detail, contrast ratio, viewing angles, etc. I wouldn't shy away from these tvs just because they don't go to 1080. I'd debate at a 42" size, I'd be really hard pressed to even notice a difference. If you're going 50", then maybe you might see the difference in resolution, not that I have seen a 50" 1080p plasma, but I'm assuming. Anyways, in 42", I'm hard pressed to notice a difference between a EDTV (480p) and HDTV (720p) plasma if I'm 10 feet away. And just to let you guys know what my background is, I work at Circuit City. :-)
 
Plus another point is that I really, REALLY doubt the HVX will do 1080p natively without pixel shifting or something like that. Why? Because true 1080p camera technology is INCREDIBLY expensive and it would be really surprising if they got that in the HVX. I know it's giving people incredible tools, but I think true 1080p might be asking for too much. If that's the case, I don't see why anyone would want to shoot 1080p if it's a "trick" to get it up there. I'd rather stick with the true native resolution of 720 for having less chance of additional electronic noise from no upconverting and more framerate options. In the end though, remember it isn't about resolution, it's about what's in front of the camera.
 
Cees Mutsaers said:
Haakon : which is the type nr of the HP laptop?
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The one I bought is an nc8230. You have to go to their "business" section to find it... here's a quick link if you're interested:

http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF06a/321957-64295-89315-321838-f1-447338.html

I like it... it's simple, powerful, and doesn't have a ridiculous flashy design. It's actually pretty hard to find an all-black laptop these days. Haha... anyway, I had to call them up to get the WUXGA screen (1920x1200), 7200RPM hard drive, dual layer burner, etc. All of that stuff is listed on the website, but when you try to order/configure it online, most of those choices don't show up for some reason. I'm not sure why.

Cees Mutsaers said:
Which edditing software are you planning to use to edit the HVX stuff. Are those laptops powerfull enough???????
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Well, right now I use Vegas. I'm in school and everyone and their mom uses a Mac, but try as I might, I just can't get into Final Cut Pro. It's just tedious and not very efficient, in my opinion. I really do love Vegas, but as of right now it has no DVCPROHD support. I don't know if that's something they are planning on adding or not, but I am strongly considering the HVX if it's up to snuff and I don't really have time to wait around for Sony to add the feature to Vegas. So unless they release an upgrade shortly after the HVX's release, I honestly don't know what I'm going to do. I've tried about 5 other NLEs and none of them cut it for me. I don't think I'm the only one that is facing this dilemma.

As for the laptop, it handles all of my SD stuff without a blink, so I'm not expecting to have any problems when I move up to HD. The proxy option sounds pretty interesting, actually... I really don't care if I'm editing in full resolution as long as the process of applying the edits to the HD material is quick and easy. My guess is that with P2, this will be significantly easier than with tape, which has to be captured and is very susceptible to timecode breaks.
 
EA_Cru_2002 said:
Pretty much almost every plasma you see in the commercial market (e.g. @ electronics stores like Circuit City or Best Buy) are not going to display 1080 natively. They're all going to be 720p (well 768 technically but they just round it off) and they'll downconvert any 1080 signal. The only exception to this MIGHT BE the latest HD Hitachi model. It says it has a 1024 x 1024 (again, rounded off to 1080) resolution but that might be some trick they use to "upconvert" to 1080 when it is actually 720. Sharp does have a 45" LCD that is supposedly 1080p natively, but don't buy it, it looks like utter crap. The 720p plasmas next to it at my Circuit City look a ton better in terms of color, perceived detail, contrast ratio, viewing angles, etc. I wouldn't shy away from these tvs just because they don't go to 1080. I'd debate at a 42" size, I'd be really hard pressed to even notice a difference. If you're going 50", then maybe you might see the difference in resolution, not that I have seen a 50" 1080p plasma, but I'm assuming. Anyways, in 42", I'm hard pressed to notice a difference between a EDTV (480p) and HDTV (720p) plasma if I'm 10 feet away. And just to let you guys know what my background is, I work at Circuit City. :-)
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Panasonic Introduces World's First 65-inch 1080p Plasma TV
Only problem is that it doesn't really have 1080p inputs :angry:
 
Maybe this should be in a different thread but it seemed somewhat related . . . what I wish to know is: All things being equal (primarily lighting) will my HD footage look any better than the SD footage I get from my DVX100A when viewed on a regular (non-HD) television screen? Same question regarding DVC-Pro? Thanks.
 
"Anyways, in 42", I'm hard pressed to notice a difference between a EDTV (480p) and HDTV (720p) plasma if I'm 10 feet away. And just to let you guys know what my background is, I work at Circuit City. :-)"

Finally! Someone who knows that HD is a perception not a reality on a TV set. In other words a SD set at 8 feet will look exactly like a larger HD showing the same picture in HD at 10 feet. And at 2 feet a 15 inch screen shows you the same picture whether its 720 or 1900 or 3000. The whole reason HD was invented by the folks that make TV sets was to sell you bigger sets that would engulf your vision more sinking you into a more theater like viewing. The higher rez was so that you would not see the lines on a large set at a close distance. But resolution by itself is not the most important thing in a Tv picture. The fact that these new sets have higher contrast ratios is more important and hence way half of those that look at a picture can't tell if the source is HD or SD.
 
"Maybe this should be in a different thread but it seemed somewhat related . . . what I wish to know is: All things being equal (primarily lighting) will my HD footage look any better than the SD footage I get from my DVX100A when viewed on a regular (non-HD) television screen? Same question regarding DVC-Pro? Thanks."

Nope!

http://www.film-and-video.com/sdhd.html
 
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