hd-dvd or blueray?

hd-dvd or blueray?

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For those of you that know, or have players that display such data, what is the average datarate studios are encoding at for their commercial features? I read that the Blu-Ray spec supports a higher datarate than HD-DVD, but is anyone taking advantage of it?

HD-DVD average replicated studio feature datarate: ___ Mbps?
Blu-Ray average replicated studio feature datarate: ___ Mbps?

P.S. I believe that Blu-Ray will "win" due to the eventual market penetration of PS3 consoles, although both may co-exist for a while.
 
Blu-Ray win *because* of the PS3? Really? I think Blu-Ray is weighing down the PS3 like an anchor. The additional $200-300 cost of the Blu-Ray drive is not helping the PS3--that's for sure. I've been spending the past couple of weeks looking for a Wii and have been talking to people about the PS3 and almost no one cares about the Blu-Ray drive. In fact they equate Blu-Ray with the Betamax format and are wary of wasting their money on a Sony-driven format. Sony has been pissing away it's reputation on proprietary formats that consumers don't like and I've been surprised at the widespread the anti-Sony sentiment. Technical superiority is probably not going to decide this battle and ultimately--everyone loses because people are holding off--waiting for a "winner".
 
what is sad is this war is going to be won by a video game, either halo 3 or grand theft auto, if halo is the big 07 seller, so will the 360 and so will hd dvd, if its gta, then its ps3 and bluray. as the war will be won by disk sales, more hd disks sold, it wins,

as I'm a halo guy I'm voting hd dvd, ad to that the players and backass compatable, meaning they'll play dvds and bluray just don't do dat,

hd dvd, although bluray is better.
 
Barry_S said:
Blu-Ray win *because* of the PS3? Really? I think Blu-Ray is weighing down the PS3 like an anchor. The additional $200-300 cost of the Blu-Ray drive is not helping the PS3--that's for sure. I've been spending the past couple of weeks looking for a Wii and have been talking to people about the PS3 and almost no one cares about the Blu-Ray drive. In fact they equate Blu-Ray with the Betamax format and are wary of wasting their money on a Sony-driven format. Sony has been pissing away it's reputation on proprietary formats that consumers don't like and I've been surprised at the widespread the anti-Sony sentiment. Technical superiority is probably not going to decide this battle and ultimately--everyone loses because people are holding off--waiting for a "winner".
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I agree with you totally. Sony could give lessons on how to piss off customers considering it's actions in the last few years, starting with exploding laptop batteries and rootkits and going from there.....


putting Blu-ray in the ps3 was a gamble, but now it's looking like one they lost....
 
The PS3 impact on both formats really intrigues me.

How are the BluRay sales going? What's that impact on HD-DVD numbers?
 
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I think a new solid delivery method is never going to take off in this environment, like the DVD did, at this point in time. The entire concept is just past it's time. I think that it's far more likely consumers will invest in a high speed HD delivery either online, through cable, satellite, their phone, etc., and need some slick home backup portable recordable formats. All films will be delivered online, either direct to customer, or through online distributors - who in turn can also provide downloadable screener files to theaters as well, likely before they made available to homes. Pre-packaged is simply a dying dinosaur home delivery method. At this point introducing HD delivery to your average home, like how we all bought DVD players, and then rented or bought DVD's, it's just not likely to happen that way anymore en masse, and for same reason CD's never changed - people thought they were getting the best quality ALREADY with DVD, even though that was just a marketing scam - the one thing that surplanted the CD, as we all know too well, was the iPod. HD in everyone's home - It'll only happen if it's a slick file only delivery, with optional backup format. It's going to require a whole change in the notion of delivery to make HD in the home happen en masse. This is exactly why it ticks me off that the ONE delivery method that actually stands a chance of making this happen is already, for some god forsaken reason is calling 640x480 high definition online delivery!!! This notion put be put to rest and freaking quick or we'll NEVER get HD in homes en masse.
 
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I don't really care who wins either way, because one things for certain: I won't.

Before I buy an HD DVD, I gotta but an HD DVD player.

Before I buy an HD DVD player, I gotta buy an HDTV.

The only way I can justify buying an HDTV is so I can view my HVX short films on it.

Of course, I would actually have to own an HVX in the first place, which I don't.

Even then, I couldn't even buy an HVX until I buy a new computer that would be able to handle the HD workload.

Seeing as I have no money in the first place...

Out of sight, Out of mind.
 
I bought the $200 HD-DVD player to go along with my XBox 360.

After viewing a couple dozen HD-DVD films, I can safely say, "Wow." HD is especially effective at bringing old Hollywood classics (ie. Grand Prix, Mutiny on the Bounty, The Searchers, Spartacus) new life.

I don't know which format will win in the end...but in the meantime, when I watch films at home, I'm watching them in HD if at all possible. I've even thought of buying a PS3 just for the Blu-Ray player!
 
So the HD_DVD drive isn't already included on the X-Box?

Do you have to buy it seperatly for the PS3 too.

I usually don't keep up with the gaming world now-a-days.
 
Blu-Ray is built in to the PS3 (one reason for the astronomical price).

With XBox, HD-DVD is an option. A standard DVD player is built in, but you need to hand over $200 to get the external HD-DVD player.
 
My question is: can an XBox 360 play an HD DVD that was encoded and burned to a standard DVD-R...without the HD DVD drive? I've made numerous HD DVD's with cheap media and they playback on the Toshiba AND a Mac. (created through DVD SP4)

Can an XBox read and play one of these discs the way a Mac can? Just a curiousity.
 
I think HD-DVD might gain a slight edge because the general public is becoming more and more familiar with the term High Definition. Most won't care about the specs. They'll just see High Def DVD and think, "oh, that's what I must want for my new High Def TV".
 
Elton said:
My question is: can an XBox 360 play an HD DVD that was encoded and burned to a standard DVD-R...without the HD DVD drive?
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I don't know...but my XBox 360 has played just about every DVD I've put in it (including home-burned ones) without a problem.

A "sleeper" capability of XBox 360 is playing HD films via Microsoft Media Center. You can render an HD copy on your desktop PC, then play it on HDTV via Media Center on your XBox.
 
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Honestly I think this is a loaded quesiton and I think this entire format "war" is essentially marketing hype which winds up pushing both fomats.

The main thing what causes a format war is an either/or scenario - the formats have to be intrinsicly incompatible from eachother. Like in the case of Beta Max and VHS (which people like to use as an analogy to HD/Blu Ray). The big difference is that BetaMax and VHS used entirely different cassettes, making them completely incompatible. There was no way you were ever going to play a BetaMax tape in a VHS machine, and vice verse.

But in this case both discs are the exact same form factor - and there is nothing stopping the ability to make a dual system player. That is a HUGE difference. If they were completely differenct medias then I would say, yes, format war, bring it on. But the discs are the same size and fit into the same machines.

I'm not saying that one format may not become more popular, of course it will - but the other one probably wont' die out completely. This is alot more like the PC/Mac platform 'war'... this isn't an either/or scenario like VHS/Betamax. The majority of people in the world use PCs, but Macs are still alive and doing just fine. Meanwhile - has anyone heard from Betamax lately?


EDITED TO ADD:
I wound up resurrecting this thread because someone linked to it in another thread.
Guess in the end the 'war' wasn't much of one since the topic died out over 7 months ago.
:)
 
I think things will be all sorted out after this Christmas. HD DVD player prices will likely reach close to the magic 200 dollar number, which could give them an edge, but the PS3 just dropped its cheapest machine to 399, which could give it the edge. However, the PS3 has no Halo, so many might opt for the even cheaper XBOX 360, which puts the edge back towards HD DVD. However, Microsoft still hasn't made an XBOX 360 with a built in HD DVD player, which swings us back towards PS3. If an HD DVD had been included in the XBOX 360 all along, I think this format war would have been over already, so I blame Microsoft.
 
Luis Caffesse said:
Honestly I think this is a loaded quesiton and I think this entire format "war" is essentially marketing hype which winds up pushing both fomats.

The main thing what causes a format war is an either/or scenario - the formats have to be intrinsicly incompatible from eachother. Like in the case of Beta Max and VHS (which people like to use as an analogy to HD/Blu Ray). The big difference is that BetaMax and VHS used entirely different cassettes, making them completely incompatible. There was no way you were ever going to play a BetaMax tape in a VHS machine, and vice verse.

But in this case both discs are the exact same form factor - and there is nothing stopping the ability to make a dual system player. That is a HUGE difference. If they were completely differenct medias then I would say, yes, format war, bring it on. But the discs are the same size and fit into the same machines.

I'm not saying that one format may not become more popular, of course it will - but the other one probably wont' die out completely. This is alot more like the PC/Mac platform 'war'... this isn't an either/or scenario like VHS/Betamax. The majority of people in the world use PCs, but Macs are still alive and doing just fine. Meanwhile - has anyone heard from Betamax lately?


EDITED TO ADD:
I wound up resurrecting this thread because someone linked to it in another thread.
Guess in the end the 'war' wasn't much of one since the topic died out over 7 months ago.
:)
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What I don't get is the "Mac vs. PC" religious fervor with which so many people approach this topic, even without ever having used either one.

Why would ANYONE not directly tied to a company which supports one or the other be so invested in this that it causes flame wars?
 
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