HD Camera WON'T DO ANY GOOD

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Simply put!  Just use the right tool for the job.  In other words, if you need a screwdriver to screw in a screw, then don't use a hammer.  Sure, you'll probably be able to drive that screw in using brute force, but the result is dubious.  I think that on many levels, it's the same about HD vs SD. It all depends on what you need.
 
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So, following with the hammer metaphor, if this new HDX camera brings one 2GB P2 card with it, and for the sake of space, people rather shoot at DVCPRO 25, that gives around 10 min. of old DV (ok, DVCPRO 25 (can you tell me is there any difference?)) or around 4 min. in DVCPRO50.

Unless CCDs are 1/2 or 1/3 with better desing to avoid the density issues, it looks the only possible ways are going to be: or you go 2,000$ for the 4GB P2 (very limited recording time anyway), or buy a DVX100A with a nice firestore 4.

I mean, you can buy an HDX with the P2 to record DVCPRO 25 but with less dynamic range like Barry Green suggested in case there are no improvement in the CCDs (is it wright?). But you will be paying more for something that wont make such a difference with DVX and firestore. Or resolution will be an advantage more than disadvantage? I´m i wrong Flinstone? Barry?

I´m trying to keep learning fast. ;)
 
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A better camera does not make you better as a film maker - but it does make you better able. We all persue some kind of fidelity, whether that fidelity is to an artistic ideal or to representing what is in front of you. Any tool that pushes back the frontiers of what is possible opens the door to more freedom and ability to realise on screen what is in our heads. Bring it on ...
 
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I´m in the scripwriting world and not all bad. I rather have a good story than any other thing, so the best other "things", the better. And I´m the one who believes is not the tools but the people that use them. In fact, i didn´t knew anybody to move, so i learn a little how to be a indie producer. I had worked quite a lot with my XM1, so if i´m looking for a better tools, knowing good people like i know, it´s up to have some fun discusing these issues. And i tend to be the owner of the equipment i use.

Michael, i did knew your opinion. Its just that being attached to download my footage every shoot by taking the P2 away and getting inside this 60GB HD, is not my ideal of freedom...

But that´s the price to pay for HD 24p footage at that price range.
 
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Yes, I get that. The problem is that many of us are 'one man bands'. We don't just write scripts - we also have to make sure the colour balance is correct! To get creative we also have to be technocrats. You're right, very often it feels that there is no freedom there.

On the other hand many a great director will have had to learn to strip an Arriflex at film scholl.
 
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It's the thing to do these days. multi-task. just keep learning as you go, you'll be able to keep your job and keep the young ones barking at the doorsteps....like me.
 
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Gee, Micahel you must have went to a army film school. ;D All we did was learn how to load the mags, check the gate, so on and so on.

:-[
 
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I didn't - but I spent much time hanging around and working with students at the London International FIlm School when I was a young actor - a looooooooong time ago! But yes, they did all know how to strip an Arri. Those were the days ... ::)
 
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I'm more excited about the 4:2:2 than the HD. HD is nice, and will help future proof things and would definitely come in handy at times. I hate to admit it, but 4:2:2 looks (well, can look) so much better than 4:1:1. The few times I've gotten to work with it I was very surprised by the noticable improvement in quality.
 
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[quote author=SirAllen link=board=HDV;num=1108359684;start=15#29 date=02/16/05 at 15:33:21]I'm more excited about the 4:2:2 than the HD. HD is nice, and will help future proof things and would definitely come in handy at times. I hate to admit it, but 4:2:2 looks (well, can look) so much better than 4:1:1. The few times I've gotten to work with it I was very surprised by the noticable improvement in quality.[/quote]
I'm in perfect agreement with you SirAllen.
 
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Like I said before, I'm kind of jazzed about the 4:2:2 DVCPRO50 option as well. I mean, I know we're all supposed to be most excited about HD, and yeah that's cool, but...

4:2:2 at 3.3:1 compression will almost certainly mean good improvements in the work you can do TODAY and deliver TODAY. So not only do you get a viable SD DV camera, but you also get one with even better quality (less compression and twice the color) which should definitely make for better-looking work on broadcast or DVD! And then, should you choose to, you've got high-def as well. This is so cool!

I just hope that the camera delivers on the promises the recording format is making! :)
 
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Mmmmmh!  4:2:2.....  It kinda makes me wish to have a plain old SD DVX100A stlyle 16x9 DVCPRo50 only camcorder.  I have the same sentiments as you Barry, HD is fine, but 4:2:2 SD... I think I'd be perfectly content with that setup for the next few years.  Well, at least until HD-DVDs or Blue-Ray players start to become more widely available in consumer households.
 
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I have to jump behind you Barry and Flintstone, my interest peaked with the DVCPRO50 and 4:2:2 as well. I find that much more intriguing than HD for exactly the same reasons. From what's confirmed about the 3 recording modes, this sounds like it will be the ultimate "prosumer" camera to date. Now the end price and recording medium are the only things that are a little worrisome to me.
 
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They will give 2GB P2 cards, if capacity for P2 cards is to be growing in a fast rate for the next years they must allocate the little ones to make big sales of them and if they are so reliable and customers get hot on them, they will ask for the big ones when they get better prices.

I´m gonna believe that Panny people ARE really intelligent! This aspect and giving what we ask for indie filmakers, and thinking on prosumers and customers in three years advance. Man, they are marketing geniuses! Sony will be out! Any other company is goin to be out! I bow to them.
 
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No one roots for Sony anyway. Sony still tries to set standards, not always to the advantage of the industry.

Panasonic takes polls, asks questions, makes their US Marketing Chiefs spend 4 hours a day online *L*, and then DELIVERS the goods. How can you not root for them?

This new cam sounds awesome......man it's going to be hard to get one of these babies. Every mini-director in LA will be ordering one.

PUT YOUR DEPOSITS DOWN NOW ;D
 
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I haven't thought of that in that way... By releasing a rather "low-end" camera, so to speak, with P2 technology, Pany is creating an increase in demand not just on the broadcast side, but also on the prosumer side, therefore exponentially increasing the need for P2, and subsequently reducing the prices of those P2 cards and the availability of larger capacity ones. All this in a shorter period of time then anticipated had Pany stuck to P2 on the high-end cams. I believe the prosumer end will be the real driving force for those P2 cards, and we’ll all benefit from it.
 
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[quote author=Flintstone link=board=HDV;num=1108359684;start=30#36 date=02/18/05 at 06:09:50]I believe the prosumer end will be the real driving force for those P2 cards, and we’ll all benefit from it.[/quote]

Man I hope you're right! It would be hard to justify spending that same amount for storage as the camera itself. I know the whole "don't need to buy tapes" thing is great...but the cards that come out initially will be pretty limited, and we'll have to keep upgrading as the technology catches up. This will amount to a veritable buttload of cash.
 
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LOL! ;D

I forgot to put some other corporate fashionable words in there such as: paradigm shift, and synergistic! ;)
 
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