GH2 Have a feeling the 5D Mark III's video quality won't come close to the hacked GH2s

Kholi said:
You said "which is cleaner on the 5D" in reference to lowlight.

I misunderstood what you were saying, because the existing 5D MKII surely is not cleaner. When MKIII actually comes out, THEN we can see what that means for that camera.
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Ah, ok. I see what happened now.
I think we were coming at this from different angles.
Relative argument. Cleaner than what?

You assumed I meant cleaner than the GH2, which I would understand since that is the topic of the thread. But I didn't.
I meant the full frame versus smaller sensors. If Panasonic had a full frame sensor with roughly a similar amount of megapixels as the current GH2, each part of the sensor would be able to receive and resolve more light, which would result in less noise.
I've heard it explained that the high ISO on the 5DmII is cleaner than the APSC sized 7D, 60D and Canon Rebels for this reason. This is also widely believed to be why they didn't dramatically up the resolution of the 5DmIII sensor as well- the more density in the sensor, the worse performance in low light. The 5D currently is the low light champion compared to other Canon models, and they didn't want to ruin that by dividing up the photocells too much.

At the same time, as was already mentioned, 4K RED footage resized to 1080p cleans up nicely. But, I think each of the 5D's pixels captures more light to begin with, which means the colors produced are more consistent and less noisy. I think- I'll admit I'm not an engineer in this field, but that's how I've seen it explained.

Now, the line skipping that plagued Digic4 based Canons meant that the resampling Panasonic cams always looked better. But my point here was that Full Frame is a good thing indeed.
 
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I'm a fan of full frame for sure (took a while, but converted).

Also a major fan of 4/3 now.

I see what you're saying, just mixed up on my end. If there was a Full Frame option that looked like GH2 I'd probably be close to the front of the line, but have to find food to eat first. xD The 5D would definitely be the winner in a low lit scenario under the same circumstances where compression is concerned (and how it arrives at its format).
 
I'm personally probably going to wait until they are available refurbished though the loyalty program. Like Kholi, I need food to eat first.
The gear I have works well enough to keep me employed for now. But I've got high hopes for this. And hopefully the cheap T4i as well!
 
righteous. said:
The only thing preventing me from ditching my entire Canon rig right now is the fear that Panasonic is going to release something much greater in April. Even then, will the current GH2 hacks be able to transfer over?
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They won´t release anything in April. Announce maybe (doubt it), but release will then be late summer or later.
 
To clarify, it isn't full frame I have an issue with, it's full frame cameras. Do I still find the crop of 4/3 or s35 more aesthetically pleasing? Sure. But without their compression problems I think 5Ds can be great.

I had fun with my 7D, but I'm a firm believer in quality over quantity (width). I'll take 2/3" over FF in a heartbeat if the 2/3" has good compression.
 
alpi69 said:
They won´t release anything in April. Announce maybe (doubt it), but release will then be late summer or later.
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Oh the things that we don't know. =X

Could be anything in April to melt faces. I guess we'll see when it's here!
 
righteous. said:
To clarify, it isn't full frame I have an issue with, it's full frame cameras. Do I still find the crop of 4/3 or s35 more aesthetically pleasing? Sure. But without their compression problems I think 5Ds can be great.

I had fun with my 7D, but I'm a firm believer in quality over quantity (width). I'll take 2/3" over FF in a heartbeat if the 2/3" has good compression.
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Depends on what you're doing and how much weight you give "look" vs pure resolution or "clean" image.
 
A ton of weight goes to Overall look for most people.


Hvx200s huge success is a prime example. That camera sure as hell doesn't resolve an hd image.
 
Kholi said:
A ton of weight goes to Overall look for most people.


Hvx200s huge success is a prime example. That camera sure as hell doesn't resolve an hd image.
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My most successful (to date) festival film, the same film I am writing a treatment to expand into a feature for an agent in LA right now, was shot on an HVX with an adapter for Nikon glass. The bad old days of 35mm adapters.
 
gonzo_entertainment said:
Depends on what you're doing and how much weight you give "look" vs pure resolution or "clean" image.
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Right. I think I'm guilty of only seeing things from the pov of someone who's looking at this release from an unrealistic standpoint. I know that the 5dmk3 looks like it's going to be a nice camera... I just wanted/expected/was hoping for more... In reality the look of the camera may trumph the specs and make it the camera that I choose over all other DSLRs... On paper? From the very limited examples I've seen? Not yet. Rick pointed out some very valid points as well, for most 5dmk3 perspective owners there is their personal investment in canon lenses and gear to factor into the equation when thinking about switching platforms. I sometimes forget (Because I'm a pixel peeper) that with almost ANY of the current DSLR's out on the market you can make great images. I guess I'm just let down a bit by the camera's specs at it's current price. The skew does seem a bit improved and that's a major plus... But it's still Bad like Ian pointed out. I'm sure we're all used to shooting with CMOS and keeping in mind the image skew when shooting to avoid it. I'm pretty sure this has become a part of most DSLR shooters work flows. It would be nice to have a dslr with no skew but for me it's not something which I expect at this point... I expected that they'd fix the moire and aliasing. They did... I hope. I'm also aware it's a wait and see game at this point since the camera isn't out yet... In the end the things which the camera does or does not do will come out in the wash, and either way I'm sure this is the tip of the iceberg of things to come. It does seem like Barry was right though when he said that canon sets their own pace and follows their own trend... I felt sure this camera would come in both cine and stills models or something like that... Shows you what I know.
 
Will Turner said:
I think it's going to kick the crud out of the GH2. The 3x1080p sensor resolution is key here.. very clever..
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The full rez 1080p sample I have seen from the 5D3 would indicate the resolution is hardly any better than the 5D2 and not near the GH2 as far as resolution is concerned.

This is probably why Canon has been so reluctant to let anyone post full HD footage files. Not to mention the high iso samples they have put out there have some massive NR on. I smell some trickery here. Its a shame that Canon isn't giving their pre-order customers more to base their decision. When a brand expects pre-orders to be based on name alone that usually isn't a good sign. Canon is clearly trying to protect their cinema line here.

Is the 5D3 an improvement over 5D2? Yep. is it 3 yrs worth of improvement. I would say no. Everyone I know who has a 5D2 isn't feeling the need to upgrade unless they fall into some money. Not enough upgrade to dish out a grand more than the camera they bought 3 years ago.
 
There must be a disconnect between Canon's dedicated video-camera department and their DSLR department because Canon has made some great dedicated video cameras yet their DSLRs seem to come up short in the video department.
[ But if someone's going to take a still picture of me - I sure prefer they have a 5D in their hands! ;-) ]

Back in the Standard-Def days the DVX100 destroyed any other comparably priced video camera...
So the moral of my story is that it should not surprise anyone if Panasonic continues to out perform Canon in the video department.

( 2 cents )
 
RatLabProductions said:
The full rez 1080p sample I have seen from the 5D3 would indicate the resolution is hardly any better than the 5D2 and not near the GH2 as far as resolution is concerned.
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If the 5D Mark III doesn't offer any resolution increase over the Mark II, then that kills any desire I would have for this camera.
 
Gary Huff said:
If the 5D Mark III doesn't offer any resolution increase over the Mark II, then that kills any desire I would have for this camera.
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I haven't seen anything indicating it has higher resolution than 5DII. I find it most troubling that Canon is embargoing anyone from releasing good 1080p raw files until after the release (after they cash in on pre-orders and hype).

Hey maybe I'm just a cynical tv producer but I find it very sneaky of Canon to do that. If they were proud of their product and its advances over the previous model they would be showing those off. I would wager their is just a few baby steps of improvement and most people if they find that out won't be upgrading from the 5DII if they already have them.
 
Personally I think a 5DII with no moire or aliasing and better low light performance is a god send.

I think resolution is over rated. Most content it viewed on DVD or highly compressed on the web anyway.
 
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