Hardware for Editing DVCPro 50 & HD

Actually its not firewire attached. Its external SATA attached via a PCI adapter. That's what makes it cool. It should be much faster than Firewire. Other than that its really just 2 Hitachi drives stuck together with a housing and a cooling fan. If you have a PATA system you didn't want to mess with, you could quickly and easily add them to your system and have the advantages of faster throughput.
 
stephenlnoe said:
Quite true Chuck, for some. Liquid and FCP have a little bit of an advantage when It comes to HDV because they are both native Mpeg2 editors, but still. It takes a horse of a computer to work with HDV. For FCP you need a G5 and for Liquid you need at least a Pentium4 3.2 HT and a PCIExpress MOBO for handling multiple HDV streams RT for editing.

Last year ('04) I was on the DV25 treadmill and then Pinnacle came out with v6 and HDV support. I though I could keep on working with the infrastructure the way it was and include HDV in the regular operations. Boy was I wrong. I ended up upgrading everything to support the new format robustly. I'm glad I did. Now with P2 I see more hardware needs going forward (if we select the P2 solution from Panasonic).

With new technology comes new need for updated infrastructure and dealing with P2 will be no exception. If you're a DV25 and you want to go to HD in any shape it may cost you more than you think.

@Kyle, Please don't start a pissing war, we just avoided one...
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Either way, hdv, uncompressed HD, HDDVCPRO, you'll need hardware. Either a deck for hdv, hdcam, or dvcprohd (or a p2 reader, which costs less than a deck). No way around having to upgrade to something. I don't recommend using a camera as a deck.

Based on my experience editing DVCAM, DVCPRO50 and DVCPROHD, final cut has always worked great. I can't comment on vegas...becuase I have never seriously cut anything on it.

But to address the original purpose of this thread...based on my experience with video and animation...if your going to stay on PC....go with a AMD dual core....(great bus speeds and damn its fast!!) ...get alot of RAM....people overlook the importance of this. I recommend at least 2 gigs and get a decent external monitor...hook it up to a firewire converter to s-video or component outputs and you'll be fine, especially for hdv if thats your format. You got the storage thang covered!

PS..I'm not pc vs mac.....i have 6 amd 64's and only one dual 2.7 G5. But for me, my personal workflow is more efficient on OS10.
 
Thanks esperman. I do understand the importance of going big on RAM. I just want to wait as long as possible to buy more, as historically this is the component that drops in price the fastest. I was also hoping that DDR 2 RAM come into use by the time I need a new system. But from what you guys are saying I gather that a high-end consumer grade system geared toward post should have enough power to deal with all the formats this camera uses. Thanks.
 
esperman said:
and get a decent external monitor...hook it up to a firewire converter to s-video or component outputs and you'll be fine, especially for hdv if thats your format. You got the storage thang covered!
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Oddly enough the only computer that I don't use for editing is the Mac :laugh: I just never wanted to learn another NLE. But today I was explaining to a freind of mine the trials and tribulations trying to figure out HD and he explained to me his love affair with FCP. I give up, I guess I'm going to have to learn ANOTHER NLE (FCP). But if I did how do I monitor HD/HDV on an external HD CRT?

Also, I find Motion running on the Dual 2GHz G5 a little slow is there a noticable difference between the 2.0-2.3-2.7? What happened to the 2.5?

My wife's going to divorce me :evil:
 
about that G5 mac....

about that G5 mac....

just out of curiosity, how much ram did that G5 have that you thought ran motion so slowly... it was always my assumption that the powermacs didn't really run quickly until you had at LEAST 2MB if ram memory. thanksl

markus
 
ChuckS said:
Also, I find Motion running on the Dual 2GHz G5 a little slow is there a noticable difference between the 2.0-2.3-2.7? What happened to the 2.5?
My wife's going to divorce me :evil:
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To share a little secret with you:
Motion speed does not depend on CPU speed but GPU performance. So, the better the graphics card, the faster Motion will run.
Best price/performance combo at the moment: 2.0 dual core with 850XT graphics card.
2.5 was discontinued some time ago.

Best, Peter
 
Thanks PK, I'll have to check which graphics card I have - but I think its the Nvidia GeForce 6800.

How do you get HD/HDV out to a CRT from a Mac?
 
...you dont need a P2 reader or anything additional for the HVX.. you can just usb2.0 the camera right to your PC and copy the data to your PC.. or between shots or when done, you can dump the stuff right to an off the shelf usb2.0 drive right off the camera in the field. then just plug the drive into your NLE machine and edit away.
 
PKraft said:
To share a little secret with you:
Motion speed does not depend on CPU speed but GPU performance. So, the better the graphics card, the faster Motion will run.
Best price/performance combo at the moment: 2.0 dual core with 850XT graphics card.
2.5 was discontinued some time ago.
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i agree. I have motion 2 and the standard card the 2.7 offers...everything works well.
It also will depend on how many streams (layers you'll have going on ) As I understand, motion 2 was revised to be open GL, and is considerably more effiecint than version 1. (and motion is based off another program called illusion..so I hear from my animator)
 
ChuckS said:
Oddly enough the only computer that I don't use for editing is the Mac :laugh: I just never wanted to learn another NLE. But today I was explaining to a freind of mine the trials and tribulations trying to figure out HD and he explained to me his love affair with FCP. I give up, I guess I'm going to have to learn ANOTHER NLE (FCP). But if I did how do I monitor HD/HDV on an external HD CRT?

Also, I find Motion running on the Dual 2GHz G5 a little slow is there a noticable difference between the 2.0-2.3-2.7? What happened to the 2.5?

My wife's going to divorce me :evil:
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Well, there is a difference between a dual 2 and 2.7 other than obvious one....1.4 ghz speed increase. The bus speed is bumped up to 1.35 ghz each processor and that always helps!

If you have vegas already, and if they will be soon supporting hdv, then just build a more powerful pc... a dual core pc. Even though I love video work on mac...unless your going to quickly recoup your cash from paying jobs.....and you just want to get your hands wet on hdv....and save your marriage too LOL, take it slow before spending 3-4K.
 
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