Lucas Adamson
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THe 60D footage we captured was pretty good. Some shots had colourful noise in it, but they were plenty sharp.
Hacked GH1 and Canon 60D shoot. My impressions of the cameras.
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THe 60D footage we captured was pretty good. Some shots had colourful noise in it, but they were plenty sharp.
If you want to keep the file numbers consecutive on the GH1, don't erase the whole card, just delete the files in the 'stream' folder once you've transferred them.
An even better solution to the file management problem is this. It gives unique file names to videos it imports (example: 20101228_145423.m2ts)
Rick Burnett
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If you are running windows.
William_Robinette
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I know exactly what he is saying. And I still think it is a great way to potentially screw things up.
Lucas Adamson
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gunstarhero
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I take back what I said about the 60d earlier. I just shot some beautiful footage with it today. Its a great camera.
Rick Burnett
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Issue #1 is fragmentation. Go do a google search on it pertaining to flash drives (which is what an SD card is). As you delete those larger MTS files, smaller files in the other directories are still sitting around inbetween where those larger files were. The more and more you do this, the more and more you fragment the data. Eventually, this leads to performance issues. This is why I've always read the recommended practice for both SD and CF media is pull everything off the card, then format it in camera. This way, when you start out, there is no data on the card and you can just fill it up, as there are no holes to deal with.
I can attest SPECIFICALLY that CF cards work much slower when they are fragmented.
I can attest SPECIFICALLY that CF cards work much slower when they are fragmented.
Lucas Adamson
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It would be really helpful to post comparison video of each.
I don't think you'd learn anything from that to be honest. The main differences I found were not concerning image quality, which is good on both cameras, but rather some practical ones, such as overheating in the D60, record limit on the D60, file size being much larger on the D60, file management on the GH1 being poor, but also the aesthetics of the camera and false impressions about the Canon being more pro. The snow on the Canon's image may have been because the operator was in one of the 1/3 increment iso settings that is to be avoided, which all of these cameras have, it seems. I think I preferred the GH1 image overall, but there's not a lot in it to be honest. It wouldn't be central to my reasons for choosing one or another.
Having said that, I'm certainly glad I haven't gone the Canon route, a route which seemed like the only way to go until some months into my research - these GH cameras weren't even on the radar for me for a long time, especially as I had a Canon 5D Mk1 already. The Lumix cameras seemed quite peripheral, as my mind was quite slow to adjust against my prejudices, and conclude that they might be better for video, which I think on balance they probably are. For stills though, I still think Canon is king, and then some.
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Rick Burnett
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I think I'd rather go with a Canon that was working as the manufacturer built it then rely on a hacked GH1 that if you have to get it serviced, will NO DOUBT come back as not hackable anymore. Or, be relegated to finding a working used one which I am sure will not be as cheap as fixing your camera. I'm not saying a GH13 isn't cool, but that is why I waited for the AF100 before investing in Panasonic. I want a camera that I can depend on, get serviced, or replaced with no question (as demand dies down).
Also, I've been pretty impressed with the codec in the Canon cameras. I think, for me, file size is the least of my concerns. If I had to chose between MTS files the way Panasonic does it or MOV files the way Canon does it, I'd pick Canon HANDS DOWN. The AF100 is better than my 7D, no doubt, but I'm still trying to formulate the best storage method of raw clips as it is DEFINITELY not as easy to search through footage as it was for me before (although I have no doubt I will find a workable solution even if I have to write it).
But, back to the point, there are SO MANY GH1/3 vs 7D/t2i/60D, and I'll be honest, the GH13 stuff looks every bit as good to me. With the exception being moire, where the GH13 surpases the Canon's ALL OF THEM by leaps and bounds.
Also, I've been pretty impressed with the codec in the Canon cameras. I think, for me, file size is the least of my concerns. If I had to chose between MTS files the way Panasonic does it or MOV files the way Canon does it, I'd pick Canon HANDS DOWN. The AF100 is better than my 7D, no doubt, but I'm still trying to formulate the best storage method of raw clips as it is DEFINITELY not as easy to search through footage as it was for me before (although I have no doubt I will find a workable solution even if I have to write it).
But, back to the point, there are SO MANY GH1/3 vs 7D/t2i/60D, and I'll be honest, the GH13 stuff looks every bit as good to me. With the exception being moire, where the GH13 surpases the Canon's ALL OF THEM by leaps and bounds.
Lucas Adamson
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I agree about the files - Panasonic could make them 10 times the size if they made them unique and sequential, and I'd be happier.
I can't agree with you about the hack making any difference, however. It simply doesn't add up. The hack makes the camera, and there's no evidence that cameras sent for servicing come back unhackable whatsoever, is there? Even if they did, the price difference alone would make the GH1 the better option. Did I mention that the 60D overheated in a freezing cold church 3 times in one day?
Rick Burnett
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What do you mean it doesn't add up, in your research you haven't seen that people have sent their cameras off to get fixed and when they get them back and they cannot hack them? All new GH1s are unhackable. If they had to do a major enough repair, like a logic board, you could easily see why it would be unhackable at that point. However, I've read multiple threads where it was just a newer firmware that was loaded that also prevented them.
As far as overheating, I cannot comment. My 7D overheats if I use 720p, which I don't because it SUCKS
If I use 1080p24, it's only overheated maybe twice when I left it in the sun for a few minutes, but, I absolutely agree it's a pain in the neck! +1 GH1/3/GH2.
Lucas Adamson
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I must have missed the threads about servicing and getting a v1.34 firmware in return.
Anyway, I think we agree that the AF100 is the way to go, but obviously it is a much more expensive option.
Between the cheap cameras, a better comparison is the GH2 to the 60D, and in this case I would buy the GH2, and deal with
A.) the GH2 file management issue, B.) GH2 possible (reported) horizontal flares/ banding C.) GH2 plastic toy looks D.) GH2 plastic build E.) GH2 over-complicated interface/ menus
because of a.) 60D overheating, b.) 60D moire c.) 60D purchase cost d.) GH2 better sound e.) GH2 ECT mode f.) GH2 broader lens compatibility
Anyway, I think we agree that the AF100 is the way to go, but obviously it is a much more expensive option.
Between the cheap cameras, a better comparison is the GH2 to the 60D, and in this case I would buy the GH2, and deal with
A.) the GH2 file management issue, B.) GH2 possible (reported) horizontal flares/ banding C.) GH2 plastic toy looks D.) GH2 plastic build E.) GH2 over-complicated interface/ menus
because of a.) 60D overheating, b.) 60D moire c.) 60D purchase cost d.) GH2 better sound e.) GH2 ECT mode f.) GH2 broader lens compatibility
lawriejaffa
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Gosh, to me the GH2 and its crop factor making the 'broader lens compatability' a little irrelevant... its a tricky one eh! I mean in the end there all fairly cheap cameras of a pretty basic similar range. Its like two scotsmen arguing over a penny hehe (its okay im Scottish!)
Rick Burnett
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Yeah, be careful about the firmware updates! If I were buying today instead of the AF100 which I have, it would probably be the GH2. I love my 7D, but the moire just gotta go. It has burned me since I bought it two decembers ago.
Pertaining to lens compatibility, the thing is, other than the 7-14mm 4/3 lens, I really have no desire to own ANY of the other 4/3 lenses. Until the birger lens adapter comes out, all these amazing Canon lenses I have cannot be iris controlled on the m4/3 mount. To me, I would rather have the plethera of EOS lenses that m4/3 lenses. But even further, I just cannot afford PL lenses, so even though there are a lot of lenses that would work great, they are priced RIGHT OUT for me. (Not including the PL adapter).
ECT mode = awesome. I might pick up a GH2 JUST for that.
Flinty, you're a Canon man at heart and I don't think the GH2 is for you. You haven't found anything you like about it yet. The AVCHD files should not be difficult to handle, they're not 1920X1080 50p/60p.
Ian-T
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Irrelevant to what? One can argue that for taking stills maybe (vs a full frame stills camera) but for shooting movies....."what crop factor?" I understand you are trying to make a point but this statement is very misleading.
Rick Burnett
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I'd even go so far as saying that making that kind of statement is actually false. The fact that there are a broader range of lenses available means the chances of you finding a lens that gives you the same results with say a 60D lens are more than likely. For instance, my 30mm F1.4 Sigma I can use the 24mm F0.95 and get the same results with the right settings basically.
lawriejaffa
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Ask anyone investing in a full sensor cam, and one reason will be in relation to lens selection. Its blooming obvious if your workign with a x2 crop that its reducing the use of some lenses and forcing you onto the wider end of things. That isn't false, its just a compromise you guys are happy to live with - but for me its such a nuisance that id more likely invest in a cam with a reduced or zero crop.
Its not misleading or false, and we don't need to go into a willy measuring contest about this lol - its an opinion i believe is right, so you can agree to disagree and dance the doodle dandy
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