Liam Hall
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Regardless of the hat position, it's clearly manipulated. One is a silhouette... And if you have two shots, no way do you use the brighter one with the longer lightning strike. No way.
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Regardless of the hat position, it's clearly manipulated. One is a silhouette... And if you have two shots, no way do you use the brighter one with the longer lightning strike. No way.
ahalpert
Major Contributor
The silhouette was the shot in-camera that Mills took. That's the one the NYT published.
The brighter shot was edited by Mills for his personal Twitter feed where he takes the liberty to touch up his photos. I can find the article where he mentions this if you like.
Significantly, the NYT did not photoshop the lightning bolt as you suggested
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Liam Hall
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The silhouette shot is far more powerful than the brighter one. Maybe he was bracketing and there are indeed two shots and I am wrong, but why would you choose the less powerful image to put on your personal insta feed. It makes no sense. I'm not convinced you are right and I am wrong, but I'll give Doug the benefit of my cynical doubt as it's such a stunning shot.
JAMedia
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I prefer the brighter version however you have to send the other one to the NYT.
combatentropy
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Good eye, catching that his hand moved between shots.
The silhouette photo from the article looks more graded. Look at the banding. Look at how the sky is monochromatic. There very well could be a lightning bolt there but graded out just through level adjustment. The brightness of the lightning going into the umbrella is almost the same color as the sky to the right of the umbrella.
I would be interested to see this.
Again, I don't think it's a big deal in the grand scheme of things, but now my curiosity is aroused.
The silhouette photo from the article looks more graded. Look at the banding. Look at how the sky is monochromatic. There very well could be a lightning bolt there but graded out just through level adjustment. The brightness of the lightning going into the umbrella is almost the same color as the sky to the right of the umbrella.
I would be interested to see this.
Again, I don't think it's a big deal in the grand scheme of things, but now my curiosity is aroused.
ahalpert
Major Contributor
I'm sorry, I can't find the article where he mentions this although I remember reading it somewhere.
Here's an NYT article about him with a lot of his great photos: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ny...ite-house-photograph-president-trump.amp.html
Here's an interesting interview with him by C-SPAN: https://www.c-span.org/video/?316954-1/qa-doug-mills
His Twitter feed is currently displaying both shots:
No need to have bracketed the shot. the silhouette could be exposed at base ISO and he would have had the latitude to raise those shadows. Unless you mean that he was bracketing in order to create 2 JPEGs of different exposures so there was no need to "photoshop". That would have been smart. Doug Mills is certainly a master of the set-up
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ahalpert
Major Contributor
Dense smoke from wildfires cover the Windy Hill preserve in San Mateo county, California.
Photograph: Xinhua/Rex/Shutterstock
And this one from Trump's press conference Friday going with the headline "Trump on Putin critic Alexei Navalny's poisoning: "We haven't had any proof yet"
You see a lot of photos like this but I find it very effective. Note that if they use the same photo editing policy as Reuters, they can't Dutch the photo in photoshop, so it must have been taken tilted. I posted another tilted Smailowski shot a few posts back.
Photo: Brendan Smailowski/AFP via Getty Images
Photograph: Xinhua/Rex/Shutterstock
And this one from Trump's press conference Friday going with the headline "Trump on Putin critic Alexei Navalny's poisoning: "We haven't had any proof yet"
You see a lot of photos like this but I find it very effective. Note that if they use the same photo editing policy as Reuters, they can't Dutch the photo in photoshop, so it must have been taken tilted. I posted another tilted Smailowski shot a few posts back.
Photo: Brendan Smailowski/AFP via Getty Images
ahalpert
Major Contributor
More tragically beautiful wildfire shots
Rick Archuleta of the Clovis Fire Department hoses down hot spots left behind by the Creek Fire on Tuesday in Tollhouse, Calif.
Marcio Jose Sanchez/Associated Press
Jim Wilson/The New York Times
Wildfires Blot Out Sun in the Bay Area
Rick Archuleta of the Clovis Fire Department hoses down hot spots left behind by the Creek Fire on Tuesday in Tollhouse, Calif.
Marcio Jose Sanchez/Associated Press
Jim Wilson/The New York Times
Wildfires Blot Out Sun in the Bay Area
ahalpert
Major Contributor
These shots were all culled from the NYT article "The Wildfire in Photos" - https://www.nytimes.com/article/wildfires-photos-california-oregon-washington-state.html
Max Whittaker for The New York Times
Etienne Laurent/EPA, via Shutterstock
David Mcnew/Getty Images
Christian Monterrosa for The New York Times
Christian Monterrosa for The New York Times
Christian Monterrosa for The New York Times
Max Whittaker for The New York Times
Deborah Bloom/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images
Christian Monterrosa for The New York Times
Adrees Latif/Reuters
Jed Jacobsohn/Getty Images
Josh Edelson/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images
Brittany Hosea-Small/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images
Max Whittaker for The New York Times
Brittany Hosea-Small/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images
Russ Casler, via Associated Press
Noah Berger/Associated Press
Noah Berger/Associated Press
Noah Berger/Associated Press
Max Whittaker for The New York Times
Etienne Laurent/EPA, via Shutterstock
David Mcnew/Getty Images
Christian Monterrosa for The New York Times
Christian Monterrosa for The New York Times
Christian Monterrosa for The New York Times
Max Whittaker for The New York Times
Deborah Bloom/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images
Christian Monterrosa for The New York Times
Adrees Latif/Reuters
Jed Jacobsohn/Getty Images
Josh Edelson/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images
Brittany Hosea-Small/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images
Max Whittaker for The New York Times
Brittany Hosea-Small/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images
Russ Casler, via Associated Press
Noah Berger/Associated Press
Noah Berger/Associated Press
Noah Berger/Associated Press
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I visited a burned out neighborhood in the big fire 2 years ago. A friend of mine's house survived while all the others around him were burned. In that fire, so many of my former colleagues made it out with perhaps minutes or seconds to spare. One of them escaped, running out of his house in his pajamas and jumped in the car. There were so many strange sights and experiences.
I smelled smoke about midnight. I got up and got online and checked the California fire website. Two small fires where active about 25 miles away. No big deal. I went back to bed. By morning, entire neighborhoods were gone. The winds kicked up to a steady 60 mph with gusts to 90 mph in the wooded hills. It was an inferno that leaped from neighborhood to neighborhood at a frightening pace in the middle of the night.
In the very early days after the fire, when no one was around (it was closed off by security), I saw a stranger who's house had burned down. There was nothing. He had a broom and he was sweeping the driveway. The entire house and yard; everything is gone and he is sweeping the driveway. It was so incredibly sad. He said he was sleeping (this fire came up with no warning with 90 mph gusts in some areas) and he woke up to see his back yard on fire. With no electricity or light, he ran to the garage, unhooked the electric garage door opener, pulled the door open, dashed in the car and took off. As he left, he saw the flames engulf the garage. He had no time to warn his neighbors. The entire neighborhood was engulfed and with winds of 50 or 60 mph, the wind was made of fire. He said there were no words to describe how he felt. Here it was days later and he had no notion of what happened to any of his neighbors.
I went into one neighborhood where there was no one around. Just burned down houses. One feeling that surprised me was that of not daring to walk on anyone's property. Even though everything was incinerated, I felt like it was hallowed ground that I dare not disrespect by walking on it. I was suprised at that.
Then I saw a man taking small rocks from the front of a property and putting them in a wheel barrow. Then he took them to the 'back yard' and dropped them in a pile. It seemed ridiculous. Here is a scene where entire neighborhood is incinerated houses and yards. Why was he moving rocks? I asked him. He was a friend of the owner. He knew it was ridiculous as well. But the owner just wanted to save the rocks. Now if that doesn't bring tears to your eyes. This poor man had nothing but rocks left from his household and he wanted to save them. His friend was good enough to oblige him this ridiculous request. If that's what his friend was clinging onto, how could he say no?
The most surreal scene was at my colleagues house, which was still standing. Next door, in a toxic suit, on his hands and knees, was his neighbor. Sitting in a chair in the driveway was his wife with a clip board. The man had a dust bin in his hand. He would scoop up a bunch of ash and sift through it and then tell his wife what he found. He was going to do this inch by inch through the entire house of ashes. Why? Some insurance companies wanted a complete list of the lost items before they would send a check. He was sifting through the ashes looking for clues to remind him of what they had lost. Then the moment came when my colleague said "Ok Joe, see you at 5:00 for cocktails". That was something they done everyday and house or no house, the cocktail hour continued. So surreal.
Did you know all the nails that hold the plywood to the studs drop straight down? Sitting on top of the foundation where all the nails from the walls. They didn't bounce around or drift off as they fell. They were all piled up on the foundation. There were so may odd sights like that.
For six months there was a line of dump trucks blocking the road on the way to the dump and to the concrete recycling center.
I smelled smoke about midnight. I got up and got online and checked the California fire website. Two small fires where active about 25 miles away. No big deal. I went back to bed. By morning, entire neighborhoods were gone. The winds kicked up to a steady 60 mph with gusts to 90 mph in the wooded hills. It was an inferno that leaped from neighborhood to neighborhood at a frightening pace in the middle of the night.
In the very early days after the fire, when no one was around (it was closed off by security), I saw a stranger who's house had burned down. There was nothing. He had a broom and he was sweeping the driveway. The entire house and yard; everything is gone and he is sweeping the driveway. It was so incredibly sad. He said he was sleeping (this fire came up with no warning with 90 mph gusts in some areas) and he woke up to see his back yard on fire. With no electricity or light, he ran to the garage, unhooked the electric garage door opener, pulled the door open, dashed in the car and took off. As he left, he saw the flames engulf the garage. He had no time to warn his neighbors. The entire neighborhood was engulfed and with winds of 50 or 60 mph, the wind was made of fire. He said there were no words to describe how he felt. Here it was days later and he had no notion of what happened to any of his neighbors.
I went into one neighborhood where there was no one around. Just burned down houses. One feeling that surprised me was that of not daring to walk on anyone's property. Even though everything was incinerated, I felt like it was hallowed ground that I dare not disrespect by walking on it. I was suprised at that.
Then I saw a man taking small rocks from the front of a property and putting them in a wheel barrow. Then he took them to the 'back yard' and dropped them in a pile. It seemed ridiculous. Here is a scene where entire neighborhood is incinerated houses and yards. Why was he moving rocks? I asked him. He was a friend of the owner. He knew it was ridiculous as well. But the owner just wanted to save the rocks. Now if that doesn't bring tears to your eyes. This poor man had nothing but rocks left from his household and he wanted to save them. His friend was good enough to oblige him this ridiculous request. If that's what his friend was clinging onto, how could he say no?
The most surreal scene was at my colleagues house, which was still standing. Next door, in a toxic suit, on his hands and knees, was his neighbor. Sitting in a chair in the driveway was his wife with a clip board. The man had a dust bin in his hand. He would scoop up a bunch of ash and sift through it and then tell his wife what he found. He was going to do this inch by inch through the entire house of ashes. Why? Some insurance companies wanted a complete list of the lost items before they would send a check. He was sifting through the ashes looking for clues to remind him of what they had lost. Then the moment came when my colleague said "Ok Joe, see you at 5:00 for cocktails". That was something they done everyday and house or no house, the cocktail hour continued. So surreal.
Did you know all the nails that hold the plywood to the studs drop straight down? Sitting on top of the foundation where all the nails from the walls. They didn't bounce around or drift off as they fell. They were all piled up on the foundation. There were so may odd sights like that.
For six months there was a line of dump trucks blocking the road on the way to the dump and to the concrete recycling center.
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Those orange pictures - We are 150 miles from the fire that caused those orange skies. For two days, we though we were on Mars. We weren't anywhere near the fire, yet our world was orange. What I don't understand is why that particular fire made the world orange. All the others left us with grey skies.
The woman walking in the field - that color is not enhanced. That's what it looked like 150 miles from the fire. Even more peculiar is that the air smelled fresh. It seemed only the skies above filled with ash.
The woman walking in the field - that color is not enhanced. That's what it looked like 150 miles from the fire. Even more peculiar is that the air smelled fresh. It seemed only the skies above filled with ash.
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JAMedia
Well-known member
A friend sent me this, not news as such and despite the music it isn't Blade Runner 2049 either...
https://twitter.com/OmarJimenez/status/1304065750324391936
I am assuming the orange is because of the time of day and the angle of the sun through the particles ie red sunsets and all that sort of thing.
https://twitter.com/OmarJimenez/status/1304065750324391936
I am assuming the orange is because of the time of day and the angle of the sun through the particles ie red sunsets and all that sort of thing.
groveChuck
U-matic Member
Abe has the fire photos well covered, but here's one I thought was especially powerful- the sort of static, still image that just sinks in...
And Abe, you didn't say anything about the photos being current, so here's one that's almost exactly 20yrs old, but still oh so relevant...
2000 Florida presidential election recount.
Bush v Gore.
"Hanging Chads"
Alan Diaz/AP
I was standing about 3ft to the left of Diaz, and got the magnifying glass and ballot, but the eye didn't line up perfectly like his.
Diaz also got the famous photo (after embedding in the family's house for a week) of young cuban rafter refugee Elian Gonzalez being taken by INS agents.
I was there for this one too, though outside at the fence at the edge of the front yard.
Just another day in Miami...
And Abe, you didn't say anything about the photos being current, so here's one that's almost exactly 20yrs old, but still oh so relevant...
2000 Florida presidential election recount.
Bush v Gore.
"Hanging Chads"
Alan Diaz/AP
I was standing about 3ft to the left of Diaz, and got the magnifying glass and ballot, but the eye didn't line up perfectly like his.
Diaz also got the famous photo (after embedding in the family's house for a week) of young cuban rafter refugee Elian Gonzalez being taken by INS agents.
I was there for this one too, though outside at the fence at the edge of the front yard.
Just another day in Miami...
I've since learned, using Purpleair.com that the days that looked orange we had AQI readings of over 300. We couldn't smell it. Our noses have gone blind to the smoke smell (or do we all have covid 
). We are breathing our first nearly (AQI 58) fresh air in 6 days today. Some poor souls east of the Sierras in the desert had an AQI over 750.
). We are breathing our first nearly (AQI 58) fresh air in 6 days today. Some poor souls east of the Sierras in the desert had an AQI over 750.
ahalpert
Major Contributor
People might disagree with me on this one, but I feel like it rises to the level of abstraction. Sometimes the best thing is simplicity, stripping away the details. There's something super elegant about his mid-step pose that plays against the caption and headline.
President Trump questioned the integrity of the voting system and said that “we’re going to have to see what happens’’ when asked about a peaceful transition were he to lose the election.Credit...Oliver Contreras for The New York Times
President Trump questioned the integrity of the voting system and said that “we’re going to have to see what happens’’ when asked about a peaceful transition were he to lose the election.Credit...Oliver Contreras for The New York Times