stoneinapond
Veteran
-2 is likely -5.
Without absolute knowledge I would call that out. Unnecessary speculation to bolster one's view.
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-2 is likely -5.
-2 is likely -5. Just the scale of variance on all the menu settings is a bit wider on the gh3; always nice to have options.
I don't think so, I clearly see edge sharpening on GH2 footage at -2. -5 on the GH3 seems to truly turn it off completely.
Again I'm not seeing what you are PaPa at all. I will concede that what I perceive as much better dynamic range in the GH3 might just be simply higher brightness and much less muddy color. Either way the GH3 produces a way way way better image IMHO.
Here's a couple sample screen captures I took from Andrews video. They A/B the two images as a gif animation in each instance.
http://www.c3di.com/images/gh2-gh3-comparison.gif
Pete
Feel like I'm the crazy one here, but if this video proves anything between the gh2 and gh3 it's that the gh2 retains detail in the highlights better. Unless my eyes are playing tricks on me, the scale of luminance seems wider on the gh2, however the way the colors are rendered, seems to give the illusion of a higher bit depth on the gh3. It's almost like looking at the difference between RGB and CMYK on a monitor. RGB may appear crisper and better defined (less mud). However this is a difference small enough to be bridged by grading in this particular case.
Then there's the matter of aliasing and other minor quirks. But overall, it does have a great image... Think this one really comes down to preference rather than an objective superiority on the behalf of one or the other.
You are not crazy. I have noticed the same thing. From what I've seen, which is not a ton and very unscientific, the GH3 is slightly behind the hacked GH2 in terms of DR and picture "yumminess". I will postpone my judgement until it is in the hands of more users, however, I will say this. My opinion come from unscientific tests, which to me, are the best. Real world, shoot, no charts, outside without controlled lighting. This tells me more about a camera, and what i see here is the GH2 is currently still the winner.
Again I'm not seeing what you are PaPa at all. I will concede that what I perceive as much better dynamic range in the GH3 might just be simply higher brightness and much less muddy color. Either way the GH3 produces a way way way better image IMHO.
Here's a couple sample screen captures I took from Andrews video. They A/B the two images as a gif animation in each instance.
http://www.c3di.com/images/gh2-gh3-comparison.gif
http://www.c3di.com/images/gh2-gh3-comparison1.gif
Cheers,
Pete
there seems to be no visual benefit in the image the GH3 is achieving over the hacked GH2. I am happy to be corrected when more people have access to the camera.
But no, I will always favor unscientific tests ( run and gun shooting ) versus charts. That will never change.
And on a last note, yes, there is no information in those blacks. My eye, however, sees a difference in the way the GH2 handles the transition from darks to black as compared to the GH3.
Just looking at those comparisons alone, what I see is that GH3 seems to be softer
The problem with unscientific tests is that you don't know what's coming from the camera or the user. I'm confident in myself to create a pretty picture, I want the camera to hold up its end and deliver technically.
The first time I shot with a GH2, I thought its handling of contrast was hideous. Turned out to be the picture settings, and with the right settings the image looks fine. I suspect the same thing is happening here. It may also be a difference due to the GH2 shooting AVCHD .mts and the GH3 shooting H264 .mov...they're probably being processed differently, possibly with gamma shifts and even clipping. It would be nice to see the original files posted.
Pointing out that the GH3 seems to be softer is pointless since since it was a different sharpness setting and scale between the 2 cameras. In terms of sharpness, I have no doubt that it can probably make our eyes bleed using a Panny lens and not taking it down past 0. If there's one thing this camera will excel at, it's probably sharpness haha.
[video=vimeo;53696677]Moire and aliasing sprouting up is a bummer but I guess you can't have it all.