squig
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what's everybody going on about? this thing is great for motion- http://vimeo.com/groups/gh1/videos/4755111
Got my GH1, first impressions
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BrianMurphy
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I haven't got mine yet, hopefully in the next ten days. But "swish pans" have never been a big part of my repertoire and other than forced situations I wonder ...Why bother? But then each to his/her own.
Boz
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what's everybody going on about? this thing is great for motion- http://vimeo.com/groups/gh1/videos/4755111
lol Uhhh yeah, I saw that. Perhaps the most useless "test" ever.
I wish it was just 'swish' pans that were the problem. However even a medium speed pan over anything detailed just completely falls apart. It's still a little puzzling to me how Panasonic could find this in any way acceptable; and released it that way. You'd think they'd want to at least measure up to a low-end camcorder in this area. Of course had they given us MJPEG 720-24P that would have been good enough for me.
I really don't want to plunk down an extra $1200 so I can get a camera that I can pan with confidence. So, now it's a race between Panasonic upgrading the GH1 or the release of Canon's 60D or Nikon's 400D. The winner gets my $$$!
squig
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Since I got the D90 all I've wanted is something with 720p 24p mjpeg with a constant bit-rate of around 50Mbps and manual control. Is that so much to ask for? I can't wait for the new nikon or canon so I have to buy one of the available options this week although I may not be keeping it very long. I'm even considering buying another D90.
John Caballero
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Again, panning properly won't be a problem. "swish pans" ARE THE PROBLEM.
Yes this is what I'm waiting for!
Please include moving shots: [dolly / tracking ]. Jello ruins these on the HV20.
Also various pan, tilt speeds. Also focus on the run tests. 1080/24p
How much footage is ruined by soft focus on Canon?
thanks
anthonybsd
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He never flip flopped. He just invented the Intertubez. Hater..I can't wait to see what the opinions will be like 6 months from now. This forum will put John Kerry's flip flopping to shame.
Brian, do you know something from Vistek I don't know? My palms just started sweating.
As stated earlier we who are getting this camera just have to try and shoot within the camera's limits to begin with and hope an update is in the works.
Boz
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Sometimes a faster pan IS PROPER. Or shaky cam, or whatever. Being limited to slow movements and pans is just as bad as not being able to move the D90 because of "Jello". This is why I'm jonesing to see Kholi's action short. That will either sell it or reveal the true horror of GH1's codec.
squig
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By the time Kholi presents we'll all be shooting with a GH8, rumor has it they will have global shutters and nano stabilization.
My vintage miller sticks just arrived......can't fast pan with this baby with it's smooth fluid drag. the dude threw in spreaders and dolly for $50....stoked! There's always the steadytracker for crazy pans. I pulled off some nice ones with the D90....totally fluked but nice.
My vintage miller sticks just arrived......can't fast pan with this baby with it's smooth fluid drag. the dude threw in spreaders and dolly for $50....stoked! There's always the steadytracker for crazy pans. I pulled off some nice ones with the D90....totally fluked but nice.
I think you meant you'll be still sitting on a fence deciding which one to buy when a GH8 comes out.
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Illya Friedman
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I've been working with some people who've been experimenting with what exactly you can get away with moving the GH1, the short answer is a lot! This is for a Bourne Identity style fight scene!
You have to pick your swish angles/shots in advance. The worst thing you can do is random prolonged swish-pans on long(er) lenses. Chances are in post, you won't be freeze-framing on a swish pan. Who shoots that way?
If you're shooting lots of handheld on the GH1: Keep OIS off, turn off "intelligent ISO" don't shoot in "M" mode- it's not 100% manual. Use the movie camera icon mode (and no other with lot's of hand held on the kit lens)- stay wider- keep a (more or less) in-focus foreground subject, if appropriate. Remember, this kind of shooting with any camera gets ugly/tiring real fast. For close-ups, get closer on a wider lens. Most of these shot will (and should be) short. The ergonomics of a (D)SLR was designed for snapshots not full motion. You have to retrain your operating style a bit, or use the appropraite hand held system to make the camera feel like another piece of gear.
I think the real problems is that the in-camera 3:2 telecine just plain sux. It doesn't help confidence when you review takes. This is getting removed anyway, you just have to see it when you review which really blows. The number one thing Panasonic can do to improve the camera is offer 1920x1080 24PN mode. The number two thing is a live monitor output.
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BrianMurphy
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I haven't heard NightHawk. I spoke with them last week and there was still no news. I really hope it comes through. I leave for a shoot in Barbados in two weeks and would really like to have it for specific shots. It would also be a good comparison test against the HMC 150 I am shooting with. Will pm you the minute I hear anything.
QUOTE=Illya Friedman;1651952]I've been working with some people who've been experimenting with what exactly y You have to retrain your operating style a bit, or use the appropraite hand held system to make the camera feel like another piece of gear.
This is certainly going to be quite a task and I sincerely believe operating with this camera will require each to adapt and find the right system to mount the camera. Many out there right now to choose from, but having made the transition from the iki you see to the left under my name to a DVX100 and now an HMC150 took a while. I still rarely operate handheld without rails and handles and with the HMC150 being lighter it took getting used to.Though I must admit when I throw it on the flowpod I am very happy and the GH1 will be even better for handheld stabilizers. Just for the fun of it I tried my CoolPix 5700 in movie mode for a few minutes yesterday began looking at the CInevate and Redrock sites.
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Boz
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Could you please, please, post a few examples? I've yet to see any "action" or any sort of quick motion on the GH1 that isn't a terrible mess. Trust me, I want to be proved wrong!
Agreed. Or at the very least, 720-24P MJPEG mode.
commanderspike
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A few more observations as I get used to experimenting with my GH1:
- Low light video performance is better in AUTO or Programme mode than in manual mode. At F4 (wide open for the kit lens), and the shutter speed set at 1/30 (minimum in manual mode) the video is 2 stops less bright than in auto at the same ISO as long as you push the exposure compensation in auto mode all the way up the brightness scale.
- G1 kit lens firmware update makes no difference in FHD mode. AF available in 720p only with the 14-45... very odd.
- Low light video performance is better in AUTO or Programme mode than in manual mode. At F4 (wide open for the kit lens), and the shutter speed set at 1/30 (minimum in manual mode) the video is 2 stops less bright than in auto at the same ISO as long as you push the exposure compensation in auto mode all the way up the brightness scale.
- G1 kit lens firmware update makes no difference in FHD mode. AF available in 720p only with the 14-45... very odd.
Can you switch the ISO in Auto? I thought you couldn't. And, I think that the Auto pushes the ISO beyond 1600. which might be why. But don't mistake that for "lowlight performance".
Lowlight performance is also based on luma and chroma noise, along with range retention, etc.
I am not sure if this is the proper thread, but what is this terrible vertical banding especially in the whites???
http://www.vimeo.com/4941594
http://www.vimeo.com/4941594