Good codecs for editing in Premiere

Uhh sorry for the tripple post but there are so many spelling mistakes in there. When i have time, i'll correct them and re-do the screenshots.
 
Smifis said:
What do you mean? I'm sorry, I'm tired as i've yet to sleep for the last 24 hrs.
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Meaning that following the instructions you've made it might solve all the normal issues people generally have in trying to do these conversions and online/offline workflows.

Certainly someone should look at cleaning up this thread and making this a sticky.
 
Eric1138 said:
Again, this is because of the nature of the footage. The native file from the camera is MPEG-4. Just in case you don't know how MPEG works, the simple version is this: it doesn't record full frames. It records one full frame of video, then for the next 15 frames, it only records the differences between that new frame and the original. MPEG was designed as a playback codec - not an edit friendly codec. So, when you drop the footage in Premiere Pro, or any NLE that doesn't transcode to an intermediate codec, Premiere Pro has to create all that information to fill in those half empty frames - thus the need for a beefy system...the computer is doing a lot of work.

At the moment, here are your choices as I see them:

1) Use FCS, which will mean converting all the clips to ProRes for editing. FCS doesn't work with the files natively.

2)Take my suggestion and convert all your files in Adobe Media Encoder to 1080 60i P2 files, and import those into Premiere Pro for a much smoother editing experience.

3) do your optioin C (which I recommend anyways) and then do option 2...

There's a video from Adobe that shows that CS5 might have native support for these DSLR cameras, and that should make life a lot easier, but it'll still take some processor power.
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It sounds like the DSLR codec might be a lot like AVCHD. I think getting a Quad Core would allow for editing the files in their native format but I can not say for sure. I can edit AVCHD on my system in it's native format (cuts only no effects). On the other hand my friend has a Mac Pro with two Core 2 Duo CPUs (4 cores total) and his dropped frames trying to edit the AVCHD footage. Using anything less than a Quad Core for video editing of HD footage is not wise. I would hate to try to edit HD with a Dual Core system. Investing $250.00 bucks into a CPU upgrade might save a lot of headaches for editing MPEG 4 codecs. Going from a Dual Core to a Quad core did not double or triple my performance it duadroupled it and saved me a lot of time druing the editing process.
 
Smifis said:
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Is the footage length shoter? it will be 24p over a 60i stream and sometimes premiere doesnt realise so you have to right click the footgae > interpret > and the sthe fram rate to 23.976
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Yes, the Media Encoded clips are each about 3-5 frames longer.

So I took your advice, and a couple things have changed:

1. I right-clicked one of the clips in my Bin and re-interpreted it at 23.976fps.
2. The video continued to have a blurred, 'ghosty' like look to it, even after the reinterpretation.
3. The audio and video went way out of sync.
4. And the video still seemed to be moving faster.
5. Finally, the duration went from 35 secs to 44 secs.
 
Bumholes.

I'm actually not at home atm but i will be back on tuesdayish, maybe a bit earlier.

other than mess around with the settings a bit i cant help you very much atm but i will answer any specific questions.
 
I'm actually finding now that if I just don't interpret the footage, and leave it at 29.97fps in Premiere, I can still edit fine, even though the sequence settings are 23.976. I just hope this doesn't **** me up later on when I replace the clips for the online.
 
try a small test first and see how it renders out. or maybe, just drop the footage onto the timeline, render it out and compare it to the original. e.g, same duration in frames
 
Okay, I"ll definitely do that, Smifis. Also, a good buddy of mine who's a total tech-hound, has been consulting me on a possible upgrade to my system. I spent about 90 mins with him yesterday on NewEgg, building a potential new box for me. i7 quad core processor, raising the cap on RAM, and more. Last minute though, he had the idea that my onboard graphics cards may be the culprit in some of my performance issues. So he instructed me to buy a new video card from Sapphire:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102837

If this improves things... great. If not, then I'd still need it anyway for the full system upgrade. So in a way, this too is a test.

Soon as I'm back at my editing bay later, I'll try the render/export test and report back. Thanks, man.
 
Wait wait wait... ON-BOARD GRAPHICS!
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That is a huge thing, all you need for editing is a $50 Video card that has FULL OpenGL 2 support which is basicaly avaliable on any carde you buy anyway.
 
Smifis said:
Wait wait wait... ON-BOARD GRAPHICS!
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That is a huge thing, all you need for editing is a $50 Video card that has FULL OpenGL 2 support which is basicaly avaliable on any carde you buy anyway.
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Avast! Isn't it always the simplest thing in the end that solves an issue like this? Lol.

Okay, I should have the card by Mon/Tues. I'll report back on how my Playback is once it's installed.
 
parallactic-pictures said:
Okay, I"ll definitely do that, Smifis. Also, a good buddy of mine who's a total tech-hound, has been consulting me on a possible upgrade to my system. I spent about 90 mins with him yesterday on NewEgg, building a potential new box for me. i7 quad core processor, raising the cap on RAM, and more. Last minute though, he had the idea that my onboard graphics cards may be the culprit in some of my performance issues. So he instructed me to buy a new video card from Sapphire:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102837

If this improves things... great. If not, then I'd still need it anyway for the full system upgrade. So in a way, this too is a test.

Soon as I'm back at my editing bay later, I'll try the render/export test and report back. Thanks, man.
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Even the inexspensive i5 Quad Core would make Premiere Pro rock. An inexpensive 9400 GT would work decent for a video card. You can build a decent system for less than $700.00. If you can afford the i7 go for it. Avoid the i3 CPUs they are only Dual Core processors.
 
with the new graphics card, you should be able to edit the avid dnxhd files or use the offline/online workflow.
 
Smifis said:
It is a bit ott for video editing isnt it
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Yea, VERY.

Considering nearly every PC application that is accelerating video these days is hooking to the CUDA processor in the NVidia cards, that's SURELY how I'd be going (and did). Not to mention I'd be looking for a card with at least 2 DVI outputs and maybe and HDMI out as well.
 
Hey,

I actually bought this video card the other day. I can return it no problem, since NewEgg has a very good policy about that. But should I? Or am I okay with this one? Even if it's over the top... as long as it works for what I need, I might just hold onto it.
 
parallactic-pictures said:
Hey,

I actually bought this video card the other day. I can return it no problem, since NewEgg has a very good policy about that. But should I? Or am I okay with this one? Even if it's over the top... as long as it works for what I need, I might just hold onto it.
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Over the top? Hardly. With a single DVI out and a VGA? No CUDA processing. In this game, generally you want to run two monitors and a pass a signal off to a TV or broadcast monitor. So that means two DVI ports and an HDMI.

I'd look for a card that offers those three ports at LEAST 512MB of RAM, and CUDA if possible.

If you want over the top... this is my card:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...2&cm_re=quadro_fx_4800-_-14-133-252-_-Product
 
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It's expensive crap that will work.

I can never justify the cost of a quadro and on a students budget, like me, not the best way to spend your money.

I have a lowly Nvidia GeForce 9200GT with 2xDVi and HDMI and it works beautifully with Premiere Pro and the whole CS4 suite.
 
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