Thanks for the info. I was using the GH1 hack's ability to remove the interlace wrapper as a reference and was thinking something similar could be done with the GH2. I wasn't thinking that it would require extra hardware. I guess I'll just have to follow the market for now.
GH2 official discussion thread
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Thanks for the info. I was using the GH1 hack's ability to remove the interlace wrapper as a reference and was thinking something similar could be done with the GH2. I wasn't thinking that it would require extra hardware. I guess I'll just have to follow the market for now.
I see, I wasn't aware that it was unstable, thanks for letting me know!
Ok, apparently the in camera processing isn't as straightforward as I thought, i.e. sensor output -> add wrapper = output. This is pretty much the kind of answer I was looking for!
Now I have a better picture what is going on. Thanks for all your help, very nice
it would be just like the start of the GH1 hack project was. Just a project to see if it's even possible to do stuff with the code. If something cool happens, then great, but let's not hold our breath.
Now I have a better picture what is going on. Thanks for all your help, very nice
How in the world did that statement clear everything up for you? Now, you are just trying to make it look like you got the answer you were looking for.
You seem so defiant in what you know is possible. Why do you need any of our speculation? Why don't you just go try it yourself? Oh that is right you don't have the camera just like the rest of us don't!
It is obvious from your posts that you haven't learned anything today.
I don't know why I waste my time.. I did NOT insist it can be done, I insisted it has got to be known at least to some extent, and as it turns out I was right.
Why don't you go read Svart's 2 replies, I think that's a bit more than "anything is possible", that was pretty much what I wanted to know. Also in Barry's last post there was good information. I think you are pretty much the only one who didn't even try to be helpful.
Yes, well it seems I was looking for a deeper insight than "no one knows". The GH1 was hacked so of course the people involved here "know" how these things work inside the cameras.
As for tcglog question.
It had been answered at least two times in this thread
I have been following this thread from the beginning but don't recall that. Maybe I just don't remember. Now from these replies it seems evident that it is very unlikely to get at least stable 50/60p @1080p from the GH2, how disappointing.
No, the problem is that you still havent understood my question and that is why you think I didn't get my answer. It wasn't that single statement, it was everything he wrote (why do I need to explain this, I have more important things to do).
And why are you wasting my time when you so clearly should be wasting yours trying to understand what I was asking. Here you think I have claimed that I know it is possible to implement 1080p50. Where have I done that? Please let me know? Or at least try to be less ignorant.
Yes, and also have no knowledge in hacking a camera in general. What this has to do with anything regarding this case is beyond me.
To me it is quite obvious that you're still clueless about what I was asking. I actually learned everything I wanted to learn to get an answer to my question.
Since you still seem to be out of it here it is in a nutshell for you (need cliff notes?):
EDIT (I made it yellow so you would notice): And here is my question repeated for you since I'm sure you need it:IF GH2 can someday/somehow be hacked, is it even in theory possible to make an intervention before the data from 50p is lost in transition to 50i
How can you still say I didn't get an answer to this or will you admit you were wrong like adults do? Oh wait...
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stonebat
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Hmmm... ETC & fast tv lens. This gets pretty interesting. I had thought ETC would introduce higher noise level. I'm glad I'm wrong in this case. What are good models for fast tv lenses? Canon and Fujinon? ENG lenses are expensive. Will those for 1/2" sensor show no vignetting with GH2's ETC feature?
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RieniO
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I've been shooting with ISO 800 with the GH1 most of the time this year because I was shooting indoors and needed a quite large DOF so I had to shoot in f8, f10. That's with 4 big kinoflo like fluo heads. Not everybody wants to shoot with superthin DOF.
RieniO
Well-known member
If Panasonic wanted to do what is best for them and us, they would hire you as a product designer engineer. But they are Japanese and Japanese are very proud people. If Panasonic was a German company you would already be working for them probably.
Jeremy_Sawatzky
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Geez theres alot of blabbering in this thread. I was looking At finding a gh1 and hacking it but now this gh2 is so close. Having hdmi out is really useful. Do u guys figure its better to spend the 500 more and get a gh2? I do need a rock solid camera that can record for hours. I dont know if i trust the hack. At least on the gh1. Im assuming here as well that the gh2 isnt hacked at all. What do guys think?
larryfine451
Active member
Amen brother,...LOL...It is rather funny how this thread seems to get hijacked into personality clashes...but I remember reading I guess from an admin post about trying to maintain civility ..especially during the launch of new camera models..,, as some people seem to have their winders a bit too tight at this time ....no truer words have been spoken ..
cheers
Larry
cheers
Larry
shutterwill
Member
Agree,
Customers can and will do whatever they want to your product (like putting it in a blender), 99% of casual users DO NOT read the instruction manual anyway. Even most people installing the hack know what they are doing, Panasonic still benefit from the hack because:
1 If people buy GHs because of the Hack, Panasonic make more sale. And those people became potential customer for Panasonic lenses or even the AF 100.
2 If people screwed up during installation of the hack, then Panasonic get to charge them for reinstalling firmware, making money out of nothing. (or in a more aggressive manner, they will claim that the hack has damage the MB and charge you for a replacement)
3 If the hack improves the performance of the GHs, Panasonic gain popularity in the film making community. And if it makes the GHs worst, then Panasonic can simply blame those hackers.
Either way Panasonic is a winner, it is just impossible to lose. Officially they will not recognize the hack for sure, but I don't think they will be stupid enough to close all the possibility for hacking.
I also agree that in the future Panasonic should really make the GHs more like the i-something, letting people installing apps. That way they get more changes to sell stuffs.
You'd probably get a better response if you stated what you wanted to use the camera for. Any production quality camera can record for hours so if thats your only requirement I'd say your options are pretty open...How can the GH2 be hacked? Its not even out yet...I trust the hack 100% and would gladly buy a qualifying GH1 again right now if I had to make the choice.
Spectra
Active member
You are far better off waitng for the GH7 due out in first quarter 2018....it has 1080 @500P FPS and apparently comes pre-hacked so you can increase bit rate to "11".
BitMaestro
Well-known member
There are hackable GH1's available for $400? I thought they were going for more than that.
I think you will find that Vitali did not hack the GH1, he probably started with a firmware update file for the GH1 and from that was able to modify (hack) the update file and then updated a GH1 with that customized firmware.
The reason the recent GH1's can't be hacked is probably that Panasonic modified the firmware in a way that the older (hackable) versions of the firmware can no longer be installed. This most recent version of the GH1 firmware has also not been made available outside the factory and perhaps repair centres, thus, it's not possible to access and hack the new version(s).
We will possibily not see a GH2 firmware file so again, if the file can't be found, it can't be hacked, thus possibly no GH2 hack either.
One possibility is to be able to actually access the data within the firmware chip of an actual camera. This probably requires removing the chip and even then there is no guarantee that the chip can be accessed.
See, it's not a simple task, perhaps now even impossible now that Panasonic wants to protect their cameras from external enhancements. Those of us who have an older GH1 might just be the only ones who can make these changes.
The worst case for us - perhaps Panasonic is certain enough with their software that they no longer use reburnable memory and there is no possibility of ever changing it without actually replacing the chip(s).
No way that the GH2 wont be firmware upgradeable therefore flash memory will be and is a necesity. If we cant have 1080p50/60 from GH2 its no big deal but I think in the main people would like 25p and for the bit rate to be up'd a little in all settings especially 720p. Why they dont just give evey setting a 24mb option and be done with it is just plain stupid, but Panasonic have their reasons and it will be down to protecting their other segments, no doubt about it.
After all is said and done though there is also no doubt I will buy a GH2, but will I offload my GH1, no way.
After all is said and done though there is also no doubt I will buy a GH2, but will I offload my GH1, no way.