GH2 GH2 hack a placebo?

If you consider it a "failure" when the codec resorts to fall-back mode to avoid crashing, then even the factory (un-hacked) settings fail at times. That's why fall-back mode exists. Fall-back mode temporarily uses much reduced encoding quality for several frames when it kicks in.

I'm with lpowell on this issue. I have found that not only does flowmotion improve quality - it is at least as reliable as un-hacked settings. Lee has posted exhaustive evidence that quality is much improved with flowmotion - if you haven't seen such evidence, then you haven't looked for it.

driftwood's settings encompass more of a spectrum, including some settings that sacrifice stability in favor of extreme motion rendering capabilities. He discloses which settings are stable and which aren't - just pick the ones that suit your needs. I'm a fan of many of his settings.

There are several circumstances where evaluations don't make much sense:

1 - When no post processing is done. The main value of many patches is improvement in gradability - which isn't visible until you grade something.

2 - Still frames when the setting is designed to improve motion rendering. When motion is poorly renderd the detail in a single frame may look fine, but if it isn't correct it will look bad in sequence with other frames.

3 - When video captured at, say 150Mb, is re-rendered to something like, say 16Mb (e.g. Vimeo). When final output bitrate is even lower than the camera's factory default bitrate not only would I not expect to see an improvement, I wouldn't even expect the final rendering to necessarily be as good as the camera's default (22Mb) rendering.
 
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Just freeze frame the zoomed in flag shot. Its pretty obvious theres a difference

Definitely agree, clearly the hack maintains a lot of the lower contrast details and noise that gets completely smoothed out by the lower bitrate compression. And this is a high key scene, I imagine the difference in a noisier image is far more visible.
 
I'm with lpowell on this issue. I have found that not only does flowmotion improve quality - it is at least as reliable as un-hacked settings. Lee has posted exhaustive evidence that quality is much improved with flowmotion - if you haven't seen such evidence, then you haven't looked for it.

I completely agree that Lpowell's settings remedy the very disastrous situation of fall back mode better than any other settings I have seen. However, for 720p modes those settings are completely unstable when compared to factory settings even with a 30 mb/sec Sandisk card. It fails every time I shoot with it in 720p mode. I have never had a failure in 1080p @ 24 FPS mode with his settings and the quality never fails either.

Too bad I need 60p more than 24p.
 
If there is a safe hack, I have not found it. Flowmotion is the most reliable I have tried so far, but I always have another cam running.
As far as the IQ difference, don't forget that you have to push the vid in post. Flowmotion gives you more to work with.

In terms of write card errors the "No adverse Affects" will never fail. It definitely can go into fallback mode. However, that situation occurs a lot less in reality than some would have you believe.

No Adverse Affects.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wg_nsfdHe0

 
Hack vs unhacked obviously has difference.
now the huge bitrate and types of hacks, the difference i cant tell and couldnt care less.
i think it hits a point of diminishing returns when youve reached past 60mbps
 
I completely agree that Lpowell's settings remedy the very disastrous situation of fall back mode better than any other settings I have seen. However, for 720p modes those settings are completely unstable when compared to factory settings even with a 30 mb/sec Sandisk card. It fails every time I shoot with it in 720p mode. I have never had a failure in 1080p @ 24 FPS mode with his settings and the quality never fails either.

Too bad I need 60p more than 24p.
I am also a fan of 720p60 and cannot get Flowmo to fail using H with Panasonic lenses (25, 20, 14-45, 45-200) and still or movie modes. I can get it to fail with SH. I am surprised that you say it fails every time you use it. Perhaps it is the lenses you are using?

Al
 
I completely agree that Lpowell's settings remedy the very disastrous situation of fall back mode better than any other settings I have seen. However, for 720p modes those settings are completely unstable when compared to factory settings even with a 30 mb/sec Sandisk card. It fails every time I shoot with it in 720p mode. I have never had a failure in 1080p @ 24 FPS mode with his settings and the quality never fails either.

mpgxsvcd, didn't we just discuss this issue thoroughly in the previous page of this thread? I've clearly documented the limitations of 720p SH mode when using auto-exposure features of the GH2. Yet you persist in insinuating that FM2's 720p modes are all "completely unstable". Blanket generalizations like that imply that you've conducted extensive tests under a wide variety of lenses, SD cards, and shooting conditions, and found that it "fails every time I shoot with it in 720p mode". Since I have done exactly those of kinds of tests with absolutely no failures in 720p H mode, I'm really curious as to how you're able to make it fail every single time.
 
I am also a fan of 720p60 and cannot get Flowmo to fail using H with Panasonic lenses (25, 20, 14-45, 45-200) and still or movie modes. I can get it to fail with SH. I am surprised that you say it fails every time you use it. Perhaps it is the lenses you are using?

Al

No I use the same lenses as you. It just fails with Auto ISO sometimes and "un" inteligent ISO all the time. I like to shoot in Shutter Priority with Auto ISO a lot but I also use P mode with I ISO sometimes when I take stills during video. Most people here shoot with full manual(Manual ISO) so they don't see the problem. SH and H will both fail with Auto ISO sometimes or always with P mode and Intelligent ISO if you are using m4/3s lenses and AFC.
 
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mpgxsvcd, didn't we just discuss this issue thoroughly in the previous page of this thread? I've clearly documented the limitations of 720p SH mode when using auto-exposure features of the GH2. Yet you persist in insinuating that FM2's 720p modes are all "completely unstable". Blanket generalizations like that imply that you've conducted extensive tests under a wide variety of lenses, SD cards, and shooting conditions, and found that it "fails every time I shoot with it in 720p mode". Since I have done exactly those of kinds of tests with absolutely no failures in 720p H mode, I'm really curious as to how you're able to make it fail every single time.

I offered to give you the details before. You didn't seem interested. I just didn't agree with the statement that it was "At least as reliable as un-hacked" that DrDave made. It simply is not for 720p and you have seen it error yourself. I am going to correct incorrect statements when they are made.

Do you want me to film the GH2's screen when it is failing with the GF1 so you can see what conditions I am talking about? I can't do it right now but I would be happy to do it on Monday if you are interested.
 
SH and H will both fail with Auto ISO sometimes or always with P mode and Intelligent ISO if you are using m4/3s lenses and AFC.
Thank you for clarifying the specific shooting conditions where you have encountered recording failures using Flow Motion v2 in 720p modes in conjunction with the GH2's auto-focus and auto-exposure features. I'll see if I can replicate your results and if so, I may be able to narrow down the cause.
 
Just watched Apocalypse Now. Lens distortion, fringing, vignetting, lens flare and scattering, and of course - heavy grain. But at least there was no jello effect :)

And it didn't bother me one bit. Because it's the best movie ever made. So, I'll keep my GH2 stock. AVCHD macroblocks are my "film grain" :) imagine that movie in crystal clear BBC Wildlife HD quality? :crybaby:
 
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