GH2 Extended Teleconversion (ETC) mode - with charts

Barry_Green

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Just pointed the GH2 at the 4K res chart, to test out extended teleconversion mode. Used the 20mm f/1.7 lens, stopped down to about f/4 or so.

It's really pretty good. A good 800 lines, with some aliasing beyond, but it's pretty darn solid with few of the nasties that have been associated with DSLRs before. However, I do see a scenario on some of the diagonals where the purple and green come into play; previously that's been only really on the Canons, not on the Panasonics, so ... we'll have to see how that works out in real-world footage, but it's something to be aware of. You'll see it on the 45-degree diagonals, but only on the 45-degree diagonals. On the Canons it was on the horizontal lines, which is what made it so visible. On the GH2 ETC, it only appears on the exact 45-degree diagonals. maybe that means it won't be much of an issue in real-world, or maybe it will; we'll have to see some user reports to know for sure.

1080/24p ETC mode res chart download: http://www.mediafire.com/?w3plxjg5hxs7201
The 720p, not quite as impressed with, only in that it's way lower resolution (obviously) and the purple/green seems a lot more noticeable because it happens a lot higher up on the chart. But, it is much more telephoto (3.9x zoom instead of 2.6x) so it will have its uses.

720/60p ETC mode res chart download: http://www.mediafire.com/?805349zzb8a74i6

So, ETC mode isn't absolutely perfect, but it looks a whole lot better than typical DSLR video and it has much less skew than normal mode. If you need telephoto or you are having moire issues, the ETC is definitely something to reach for because it may bail you out of both scenarios.

For comparison, here's the full normal-mode (non-ETC) chart in 1080/24p:
http://www.mediafire.com/?db5q0r2f5cotdcc

In this, it looks pretty much exactly like I remember the GH1 looking. Lots of luma aliasing, but zero chroma contamination (no purple/green showing up). You will get hit with moire patterns, but not with the big rainbows that other DSLRs have, so ... it looks just as good as the GH1 did.

In general, I think the ETC mode will show sharper footage, more real detail, and a lot less aliasing. However, the normal mode will have the lush shallow DOF that we've come to know and love, whereas the ETC mode won't. ETC mode will let you use cheap 16mm cine lenses, whereas normal mode doesn't. But ETC mode looks like under certain conditions it could create some purple/green, which the normal mode doesn't do. Pluses and minuses to both modes.

I don't expect a whole lot from these type of cameras, but frankly while there's some purple/green, I'm quite surprised at how good the ETC mode looks. And even then with the purple/green, it only shows up on exactly 45-degree angles so it's probably not going to have much impact on regular footage. I think it's a nice addition to the GH2, it really makes it two cameras in one.
 
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Just got my GH2 and have started testing the same things. I've noticed that "Cinema" color seems to have less noise than any other color profile at the expense of lowlight sharpness and a slight black crush. Also it seems very sensitive to color balance and will easily clip in the highlights if you are a few hundred K off (at least in tungsten)
 
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720p GH1 vs GH2. 800iso on the GH2 = 500 ISO on the GH1.

Nice to have less sharpening in 720p mode, but there is more false detail causing aliasing on the GH2. Need to test them in motion next

JPG artifacts from hosting it on my blog, probably re-encoded it at JPG quality 7. You can still see the differences though. The new GH2 720p mode almost appears to be a supersampled/downsampled from the 1080p video.
 
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I apologize for sounding critical, but is there a GH2 hack I don't know about or is that 720p comparison image mislabeled?
 
I apologize for sounding critical, but is there a GH2 hack I don't know about or is that 720p comparison image mislabeled?

oh lol. my fault for not reading. Ill fix it (that's what you get when you copy+paste in order to keep font sizes the same:) )
 
720p GH1 vs GH2. 800iso on the GH2 = 500 ISO on the GH1.

Nice to have less sharpening in 720p mode, but there is more false detail causing aliasing on the GH2. Need to test them in motion next

JPG artifacts from hosting it on my blog, probably re-encoded it at JPG quality 7. You can still see the differences though. The new GH2 720p mode almost appears to be a supersampled/downsampled from the 1080p video.
Yeah, you can see it resolves more detail on both horizontal and vertical trumpets (more on the vertical). The image from the GH-1(3) seems like it is more...smoothed over....like it went through some noise reduction.
 
Thanks for this Barry. Did you get a chance to try out any of your 16mm lenses with ETC?
Not for actual shooting; I just bolted the 10-100 on there to see if it covered the frame. That particular 10-100 has something jacked up with the iris, it won't stop down, I need to send it in for servicing. Couldn't use the other one because it's not in the right mount (it's CP mount, and I don't have a CP->m43 adapter). The other lenses I have are just old B&H Filmo lenses, I wouldn't expect them to be anything too special.
 
They're the old Zeiss 10-100's, one is the T*3 and the other is, I think, a T3.3. They came with the cameras. They're nothing special, they're not horrible but they're not like modern glass.
 
Here are some Vimeo down-loadable MTS test charts I took and my opionion of how they rank.

http://vimeo.com/user442745/videos
http://vimeo.com/user442745/videos/page:2/sort:newest

I need to break this down into Horizontal and vertical resolution because the ranking is different for each one.

Horizontal Resolution:
1. 1080p - about 900 lines
2. 1080i and 720p - 800 to 850 lines

I think horizontal resolution is limited much more by the scaling than by final output resolution.

Vertical Resolution:
1. 1080p - 800-850 lines
2. 1080i(Not deinterlaced - Static scene) - 750 lines
3. 1080i(deinterlaced with Yadif deinterlace in VLC) and 720p - 650 lines

Please note that 1080i not deinterlaced is not a realistic scenario because it would have serious interlaced artifacts. It was included to show that 1080i does not contain as much resolution as 1080p period!

Horizontal Resolution:
1. 1080p ETC and 1080i ETC - 750 lines
2. 720p ETC - 600 lines

Vertical Resolution:
1. 1080p ETC - 800 lines
2. 1080i ETC and 720p ETC - 600 lines

As you can see the 720p mode is not desirable for resolution in the ETC mode. That is understandable since it starts with so much less resolution.


8. Resolution chart samples from the Nikon D7000, GF1, GH1, and GH2 for all video resolutions. I used the exact same Nikon 35mm F1.8 lens for all cameras. I manually focused with it for each camera. I had to move the camera back for the m4/3s cameras to account for the 2x crop factor. This resolution chart measures resolution per picture height.

Don't forget to hit the 1080p button on the youtube player to see the videos in full resolution.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaOOPEwpAro&t=7m26s

Moon video with ETC @ 12,480mm.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIHSHtnv9is
 
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