GH1 vs Red One vs Canon 5D Mk II footage comparison shoot out!

Barry_Green said:
Yeah, but ... what if the Nano has a composite output? Then you could strap the nano in close with the HDMI locked down, but use the composite cable for your remote monitoring... or use the nano's HDMI output to an HDMI->HD-SDI box.

Man, we're gettin' all modular over here, ain't we! :)
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I could live with the NanoFlash for sure. It's just plainout smart (aside from the compression, which could probably stand to be updated-- neither here nor there). HD-SDI, HDMI, CF Cards.

That's about the only thing I could trust with HDMI, though, and that's because it's a short run. Monitoring long runs with HDMI is just plain-out bad. Especially HDMImini. Whoa boy.
 
Kholi said:
=( A new camera every six months is technically around 4500.00 or so. Thank gawd this stuff pays itself off swiftly or I would probably eat a fistful'a thumb tacks.
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Well I was trying to make the option of buying a new camera every 6 months seem as appealing as possible :) and within the world of these new crop of vdslr's.

later,
Jaason
 
Kholi said:
Have you ever tried to tether a camera via HDMI while shooting at long distances?

Let me know how your experience goes. LoL.

TRUST me, there is a very valid reason why Pro Grade HD-SDI connections exist. I would NEVER trust anything important to an HDMI connection UNLESS it was something like the NanoFlash, which is a short connection.
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OK - swap HDMI in my posts with HD-SDI then...
 
Kholi said:
=( A new camera every six months is technically around 4500.00 or so. Thank gawd this stuff pays itself off swiftly or I would probably eat a fistful'a thumb tacks.
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Yeah, but you can sell the old one for $4,000. So really a "new camera" is only about $500, right? That's the way I've been looking at it. Ebay changed everything.
 
Barry_Green said:
Yeah, but you can sell the old one for $4,000. So really a "new camera" is only about $500, right? That's the way I've been looking at it. Ebay changed everything.
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Exactly. And don't forget about how much it rents and recovers, so it's just about nothing to upgrade.

This is why I tell people to use external hard-drives on their Macbook Pros and sell them the day that another is announced. If you're fast, you won't pay more than 200 to stay on the curve.

I do this with my iPhone and have paid nothing to update to the next one thanks to Ebay and no-contract specials.
 
Kholi said:
That's about the only thing I could trust with HDMI, though, and that's because it's a short run. Monitoring long runs with HDMI is just plain-out bad. Especially HDMImini. Whoa boy.
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Which is why (say it with me, folks) HDMI is a consumer connection, and HD-SDI is a professional connection.

Even though you're getting pretty much the same data on each (except that HD-SDI adds timecode), the actual connector makes a world of difference.

Now, if someone would come up with a locking HDMI, I'd feel a lot better about it.
 
Barry_Green said:
Agreed. But again, many of us are already doing that, through ebay. We buy new, use it until something better is coming around, then sell it off. So my upgrade from an HVX200 to an HPX170 was maybe $500 or so.

What I like about this technique is that it doesn't lock me into any one manufacturer. As much as I like the Lenovo approach, I don't want to be stuck in their line forever; I'll stick with 'em as long as they make the best products at the best prices.

With that said, any time you can reuse your old stuff (like your lenses, tripods, and batteries) that's a huge bonus.
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Yeah, but not everyone is as comfortable with the idea of flipping 5 grand in gear so often...

I'm not anyways...

but, I definitely hear you.

later,
jason
 
Barry_Green said:
I do though. Because it means you've got to spend another $300 minimum before you have a well-rounded system. Yes, you can just plug a mic right in the mic jack, but -- you can't monitor audio levels, you can't disable the auto-gain, and you can't even listen with headphones! So that's a big shortcoming, to me. Then again, I thought sound was important enough that we put out a Sound Recording DVD before the much-more-clamored-for Lighting DVD... :)
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Yeah luckily at school we can check out really nice marantz and tascam audio recorders, boom, mic, etc..they also have some Zoom h4s...one of the reasons I got my own camera even though the school has EX-1, HVX, HMC-150, JVC-100, etc, is because I didn't want to be limited by waiting to get one of the few cameras they have (less demand for audio records) and also because I was actually unhappy with the image these were producing (depth of field, sensor resolution, etc...given that the school only is shooting with stock lenses...if they had Letus + relay for Ex-1 I might be singing a different tune...but checkout would still be a PAIN!) I am taking a class in the fall that shoots on the HMC-150 and you can bet I will be happy to shoot on my own time, rather than around an arbitrary checkout schedule, and checkout some audio equipment which is usually in lower demand vs supply when compared to cameras...all while taking advantage of the image I can get with the GH1 that the HMC simply can't match (in most situations.)

Part of the reason for wanting my own camera despite the resources currently available to me (well only when I'm taking a class or working on something for the campus TV station) is that I saw these great little narrative shorts my friends who had their own equipment were making because they could be spontaneous and get out there and shoot something amazing, without planning their schedules around checkout, or, as it applies to this thread...renting something like a RED.

Anyway, back to the quote, I don't like running a huge XLR cable off of my cameras anyway, ties me down a bit, and ties the sound guy down. This way we have the freedom to do some different kinds of shots we normally couldn't, and become a much more mobile crew (which is good for shooting on location.)

In any case, I'd say you're looking at more like $500 for a good sound setup, and then someone to run it (Zoom H4, boom pole, microphone) but still...that $500 is less than the price difference of the next cheapest prosumer video camera with XLR in (HMC-150?) and if you're like me and actually PREFER doing sound with an external recorder in most situations than it's $500 dollars, or rather, -$1,000, well spent.
 
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Yeah, but not everyone is as comfortable with the idea of flipping 5 grand in gear so often...

I'm not anyways...
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Gotcha. Well, hence why there's plenty of room in the marketplace for all sorts of different approaches.
 
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If you happen to pick the right lenses then you can move between any of these cameras and always sustain the best of all worlds.
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thats why miniprimes stopped making sense to me
will still get fixed tho
 
Ben_B said:
In any case, I'd say you're looking at more like $500 for a good sound setup, and then someone to run it (Zoom H4, boom pole, microphone) but still...that $500 is less than the price difference of the next cheapest prosumer video camera with XLR in (HMC-150?) and if you're like me and actually PREFER doing sound with an external recorder in most situations than it's $500 dollars, or rather, -$1,000, well spent.
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I can of course see your point, but you're compromising your workflow in favor of your wallet (which, I guess, is what this whole big "flow" part of this thread started out discussing, so maybe we're still even on topic!)

Sync'ing double-system sound is one pain in the patootie I don't miss from my days of shooting film.

And $500 for a whole setup -- man, I've got microphones that cost twice that. :D But, yes, you could get a surprisingly workable sound system for close to that; a Zoom H4N, an MK012 with a BBG, a KSSM shockmount and a Gitzo pole and a decent 15' XLR cable, and some MDR-7506's... and you're in business. I think that'd work out closer to a grand or so, but yeah, you could get a reasonably professional audio setup for not a whole lot.
 
Martti Ekstrand said:
OK - swap HDMI in my posts with HD-SDI then...
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I WILL say this: back when Hydra was being developed, we were told that we could do insanely long runs back to a Tower with Ethernet cable. Cat-5 was it?

Ethernet cable is cheap as hell, and I'll be the first one to say that I was all on that concept. And I have no idea how lemo to ethernet would've done, but to get 2k/60p out of the HVX200 I already owned it was going to be worth it.

If someone told me I could get 1080/60p out of the GH-1 via HDMI (which I don't think HDMI supports a 1080/60p signal, Barry?) then I might be like... "Hmmmm..."

Things could get really scary then... really scary... like your Avatar.... but scarier.
 
Barry_Green said:
I can of course see your point, but you're compromising your workflow in favor of your wallet (which, I guess, is what this whole big "flow" part of this thread started out discussing, so maybe we're still even on topic!)

Sync'ing double-system sound is one pain in the patootie I don't miss from my days of shooting film.

And $500 for a whole setup -- man, I've got microphones that cost twice that. :D But, yes, you could get a surprisingly workable sound system for close to that; a Zoom H4N, an MK012 with a BBG, a KSSM shockmount and a Gitzo pole and a decent 15' XLR cable, and some MDR-7506's... and you're in business. I think that'd work out closer to a grand or so, but yeah, you could get a reasonably professional audio setup for not a whole lot.
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It's pretty funny, that sentiment. Everyone who's shot film and has had to deal with double system looks at me like I'm crazy when I say "we'll just use a slate". LoL. "You mean go back to the stone age? I think you've been drinking too much Cactus Cooler, kid."

But, in the H4N's defense, the audio is pretty darned clean.
 
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