GH1 Color Shifting Issue

Stephen Mick

Totally Usable
Many of the GH1 fans here may have seen my Costa Rica video from a few weeks back. When I put that original cut together, every now and then I would come across a clip that showed what looked like "aperture flicker" or "exposure flicker." Thankfully the flicker wasn't present on key shots, and I was able to cut around it.

After doing some initial research, and consulting with a few others, I chalked up the bad clips to "operator error," thinking either some automatic function had been left on or the variable-ND filter was causing some shifting.

But in the process of putting another recent edit together, I realized the issue that I thought was unique to my setup was, in fact, an issue with the camera itself. After doing some testing, I decided to share it with the GH1 community.

Check out this link…

http://www.proofcreative.com/roxy/gh1_issue.mov

This clip was recorded at 720/60p and changed to 24p in Cinema Tools. Although you can see "refocusing" going on here, the camera itself is in Creative Movie Mode, full manual operation. Whether the focus was set to manual (as most shots were) or partial auto (as this shot was), the results were the same.

You can clearly see the image shifting in exposure from one frame to the next, primarily when the lens is moving up and down with the motion of the boat. At the time, I didn't see this in the viewfinder, but I often shoot focused more on what's going on with my "free" eye than my "shooting" eye.

There are a good many shots like this where the blue sky seems to shift in exposure. All of them were on bright sunny days, where there was a good bit of blue in both the sky and the water.

Again, when I first saw this, I figured there was something I did wrong, some setting I mistakenly used that created this problem. But I shared the footage with another local GH1 shooter, and we tried to recreate the issue with his camera. At first we couldn't seem to get the same effect. Then, when filming a test shot of a woman in a blue shirt, it happened again. The blue tones flickered in exposure, as if the amount or intensity of the color were somehow confusing the camera's brain.

We changed the GH1 from 720/60p to 1080/24p and the issue persisted. We switched shooting "film" modes, and made an interesting discovery: when shooting in some modes, the issue wasn't present, while in others, including even the monochrome/B&W modes, it was easy to see. If I remember correctly, "Standard" mode was clean, but "Smooth" and "Dynamic" showed the shift.

We wondered if maybe this was an issue between the lens and camera, so we removed the kit lens and tried a Nikon 50mm lens on an adapter. No flicker. We tried all the same settings and could not recreate the flicker with the non-kit lens.

So, to sum things up, when using some "film modes" with the GH1 and kit lens, you might experience some "exposure shifting" in the blue tones. Hopefully Panasonic will fix this as part of a firmware update in the future.

I'd be curious to know if any others have seen behavior like this, as now I have seen it on two completely different GH1 cameras.
 
Definately noriced the flicker

Definately noriced the flicker

With CMM, exposure locked still get the flicker, annoying but its there, interestingly one of my most noticeable clips was definately set to dynamic film mode, you are bang on with your findings.

Many thanks, I thought it was me!
 
Are you seeing it specifically in frames with a lot of blue color present? That's the thing that stumped me, is that it only seems to happen when blue is present.

--SM
 
great post

great post

Just wanted to say great post, as we find these smaller camera's trying to do so much with the kit lenses, and have all the photo functionality, I think more of these scenario's will pop up.

As the chips get better, more redesign is done for issues like these, I expect gh2 to overcome some of these current issues.

Good news, is that if you limit the processor to just a few items (like capturing etc, and not any communication with the lens, and use a non-standard lens we aren't seeing this shift!)

Great test, we'll see what others find.
IB
 
I've never seen any problem with the blue colour - but I was in the vibrant mode during those time.

But there have been times when I've seen problems with the green colour(especially the trees and grass where the small patches have turned into indistinguishable mess).
 
I think the issue with greens (grass and trees) is a detail issue, where the codec turns to "mud." This is something entirely different altogether.
 
Yes, the green issue is fairly constant with leaves that are a stop or two down from "optimal" exposure; leaves at proper exposure look fantastic, but the shady areas turn to a smear.

This color issue that Stephen has found is ... mind-boggling. I'm waiting (im)patiently for my GH1 to get back so I can dig into this issue, but -- with it only affecting blue, only happening in certain gamma modes, only happening when using the kit lens, and only happening for a frame or two before it pops back -- that's just about the most bizarre thing I've ever heard of...
 
Are you sure it's happening just on blue tones and not the whole scene, as it looks to me like the video clip you posted is changing in exposure everywhere not just in the sky and water.

A lot of auto-exposure features are enabled with the kit lens including continuous iris. Was intelligent exposure enabled?
 
At first I thought it was the whole scene, but when a friend ran some tests with his camera, only the blue tones were shifting. Which, in the context of my footage, makes sense, as there's so much blue present. And I didn't see the effect at all on any other footage I shot, only shots where blue is a dominant color.

And no, Intelligent Exposure was not enabled.
 
Very strange. Haven't noticed this myself and have similar footage shot in the sea off Taiwan on a whale sight seeing boat with no blue exposure 'shift'.

No idea what's causing it!

It's curious, but the least of the GH1's image quality wobbles I think. Nothing to worry about too much.
 
Maybe not for you, but let's just say I had some really nice shots ruined by this very issue.

Were you using the kit lens? What were your camera settings at the time?

Until there's a concrete cause and solution, I think it's important to let other GH1 owners know about this, even if you may not think it's a problem.
 
Maybe not for you, but let's just say I had some really nice shots ruined by this very issue.

Were you using the kit lens? What were your camera settings at the time?

Until there's a concrete cause and solution, I think it's important to let other GH1 owners know about this, even if you may not think it's a problem.

Didn't mean to come across as belittling your work there. Sorry about that.

Yes it's still important to bring this stuff to people's attention and I know first hand how annoying it is to mention a flaw and for others to say it's 'no problem'. Apologies.
 
We're cool, spike. No worries.

Seriously though… Kit lens? Settings? Anything to share?

If this is an issue with the kit lens only, it'd help to know if those who aren't seeing it were using the kit lens or not.
 
It seems to be totally random and I've never been able to reproduce the problem so I have no advice on this one I'm afraid. I was using the kit lens on the boat, plenty of blue sea, etc. Very similar to where you had the issues. All full auto in iAuto mode and standard film setting. AF and OIS on.

So could well be an image processing issue with some of the film settings.
 
That's pretty disappointing if you can't overcome this issue with the kit lens. 800 bucks is a pretty steep price for a lens that you can't trust won't mess up your scenes. Now if only Panasonic offered a body only option. The best GH1 footage I've seen has been with other glass than the kit lens. Mud plus color shifting, not good.
 
True, Barry. But a much better solution would be for Panasonic to figure out what's causing the problem and fix it via firmware so one could shoot in any gamma they wish.
 
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