Gary Kleiner Vegas DVDs -- Opinion

David Jimerson

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Not sure I'm going to call this a review, because I doubt I'll go that in-depth.

I've watched through them now, and I have some observations . . .

For the price, I was a little disappointed.

Gary knows his stuff, no doubt about it, and he makes his knowledge understandable to the beginner (and has a good, even speaking voice which makes it easy to listen to it). The information is explained well, and there are many on-screen demonstrations, as well as text info on keyboard shortcuts, etc..

But it really seems more for the very beginner who's never worked with any NLE before. The more advanced features are hardly touched upon, and some are specifically not covered.

Which is fine, except that it's billed as being for beginners and advanced users alike. I don't think intermediate to advanced users will get much out of these discs. I was really expecting to be surprised at the information presented, but it turned out that he didn't cover much I didn't already know.

There are also way too many plugs for his own plug-in, Excalibur. Several times he spends more time showing you how to do something in Excalibur, which most of us don't even have, than he does on the same function in Vegas.

Considering whoever's watching it dropped $50 for the ability to do so, I don't think a commercial is appropriate to the extent it was used.

And, it's not a very slickly-produced video, either. It was itself edited on Vegas, but it could have been done on a dual set of VCRs. Any of us could have produced a more polished work. On top of that, there's an editing glitch about two thirds of the way through the second disc -- a couple of frames from another clip dropped in the middle of the one we're watching.

Bottom line, if you're going to ask someone to lay out $50, it should look better; you shouldn't try to sell something else with it; and it should be what it's billed to be.

It *is* a good, informative set of discs for the beginner, but if you're looking for more than that, look elsewhere, IMHO.
 
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And I give it a THUMBS UP Roger! Thanks for providing a review!

I agree with Jubal. It is basic and for me it is exactly what I needed. A crash course in Vegas. I do have some basic experience using NLE's such as Premiere but that experience is mostly just playing around.

I found it worth my time and money, and, unlike Jubal I haven't been using Vegas. The DVD presentation is definitely lacking in the presentation department. This is not to discredit the information available in the 2 DVD collection. IF you are looking for fancy titles and an accompanying score, this is not the one for you. The titles between chapters are basic as they get and the examples Gary uses during the tutorials could not be any more boring. Unless you find a bunch of Lance Armstrong wannabes exciting.

I found the Shortcuts (and he gives plenty) to be extremely useful and quick to learn. Although Vegas provides a Keyboard Shortcut chart, this beats learning that way anyday. I am one who learns best by example.

A feature I do like is that each chapter is listed and broken down separately. Let's say for example you can't remember how to Sync Timeline Events or how to create a Motion Background. Subjects are easily referenced by Chapter and one can go immediately to that section for a quick review.

Like Jubal mentioned, Gary does a great job of explaining while showing you how to do it. I think the picture could have been clearer when showing the actual software in action, but it is not a hindrance and not unreadable at all.

I do agree, the shameless (shameful?) plugs for Excalibur were unnecessary and discouraging. I wouldn’t have minded a commercial at the beginning, but I did mind the several chapters devoted to it.

The set is about 3 hours of instruction and is perfect for anyone not experienced with Vegas or NLE's for that matter. A Wiseman (Barry) once said "What is your time worth? You can teach yourself and stumble along or, spend $50 and have it warped into your brain".

My time is worth more than 16 dollars an hour which is what you'll spend for the 3 hours of Instruction. I don't even want to think how many hours I would have spent 'teaching myself'.

The set is 2 DVD's with a combined 101 subjects broken down by Chapters.

In closing, a slicker job could have been done in producing this piece. Surprising that it does have a 'bland corporate' feel. For 50 dollars, you think they would have put more into it in terms of production value. That does not diminish the quality of instruction however. If you are looking for the nuts and bolts of the engine and want to save countless hours attempting to figure it out on your own, then this set is for you.
 
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Thanks for sharing your opinions guys. We get to see what a beginner and a more experienced user gets out of the same product.

Y'all should go on the road taking turns giving your opinions on the same thing ;)
 
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Our own Siskel & Ebert? :)

Actually, I tried to forewarn that they were fairly basic, and I felt that they were more aimed towards the beginner. I learned some good stuff out of 'em, so I found 'em worthwhile.

As for the production quality, yeah, they're not top-notch. What is amazing is that he was using the same computer to record on, as he was using to demonstrate the video! So he had two instances of Vegas running, set up the camera to point at himself, and live-captured the video of himself running Vegas...
 
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Funny, I haven't seen the DVDs yet, but I remember him saying (on another forum) that the in-Vegas shots were recorded via software that records whatever is on the computer's monitor (Camtasia if I remember correctly). ???
 
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I don't blame you, Barry -- you did say it was for beginners. It was THEY who said it's appropriate for more advanced users, too .
 
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I thought it was a decent set of tutorials for the price. $50 is not that much more than a good book. Regardless, my only real complaint was the fact that the DVDs would skip and stutter on nearly all of my 6 DVD players (both set top and computer). Must have been cheap media.

Andrew
Crystal Clear Media
 
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Home-burnt DVD's are always plagued by the skipping problem. And media seems to be only part of the solution. If anyone, anywhere, has a 100% reliable way to burn DVD's that will work perfectly on every player out there, man, I'd sure like to know about it.

I find I get about a 70% success rate, basically regardless of media.

Irritatingly, and interestingly, I took the same mpg's over to a Mac on DVD Studio Pro (or whatever it's called), the Mac used the same drive (Pioneer A04) and burnt a theoretically identical DVD on the same media. Worked fine on some players that my drive's DVD's wouldn't.

So, again, home-burnt DVD's have proven to be not reliable enough (although they always work in computer DVD-ROM drives). Seems like Apple media is the best, but even so, compatibility never seems to top 80%, which just isn't good enough.
 
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I find it's the older players you have to watch out for.  I was an early adopter of DVD, so I have a few 5-6 year-old players.  Generally, I find that if a DVD+R will play on one of those, it'll play on anything.

Even so, I've burned more than one coaster.
 
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[quote author=Barry_Green link=board=Vegas;num=1078637228;start=0#8 date=03/08/04 at 10:45:27]Home-burnt DVD's are always plagued by the skipping problem.  And media seems to be only part of the solution.  If anyone, anywhere, has a 100% reliable way to burn DVD's that will work perfectly on every player out there, man, I'd sure like to know about it.

I find I get about a 70% success rate, basically regardless of media.

Irritatingly, and interestingly, I took the same mpg's over to a Mac on DVD Studio Pro (or whatever it's called), the Mac used the same drive (Pioneer A04) and burnt a theoretically identical DVD on the same media.  Worked fine on some players that my drive's DVD's wouldn't.

So, again, home-burnt DVD's have proven to be not reliable enough (although they always work in computer DVD-ROM drives).  Seems like Apple media is the best, but even so, compatibility never seems to top 80%, which just isn't good enough.[/quote]

Here's my experience with having distributed hundreds of home burned DVDs. Compatible player is the #1 thing, second is media, third is bit-rate, fourth is encoder/authoring app.

I have used a bunch of different media, authoring tools, etc... After much trial and error. I have a combination that works exceptionally well for me and my clients. I use Verbatim white faced printable media, Canopus encoded files, authoring with ReelDVD (uses the Scenarist compiling engine), and try and keep my video bit rate around 7500. I still burn with a Pioneer A03 and many times with a Panasonic D521.

On the Mac side, I just recently got a 2.0 G5 DP. I haven't authored but just a couple of DVDs with Compressor and DVDStudio so I don't have a lot of results to give there. I will say that I used to use Apple brand media and started having clients complain about skipping/pixelation about 40min into a DVD. I replaced their media with Verbatim (using the same authored files) and it fixed their issue. This was with several clients a couple of years ago. I have been sticking with Verbatim since and have had excellent results.

Thought I'd share my experience. It is by no means scientific, just my reality.

Andrew
Crystal Clear Media
 
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