FujiFilm X-T2 UHD

I'm still very cautious about lack of moire, until I test it or see charts in each resolution and frame rate, I won't believe they have cured it. The X-Pro2 still has too much moire, and it is the same sensor and processor, the big difference may be the amount of power they are willing to pull out of the battery for more clock speed on the processor.

Just for the sake of disclosure, I do own the XT1, and have tested moire on charts. Then I bought a GH2 for video.
 
I like the French film, but would have liked it more in color or at least part of it in color. Jello seems decent and and I am not seeing much moire' watching the 4k file full screen on my 27" iMac. The F-log thing only on HDMI out and the HDMI being mini HDMI are both bummers but hey, it's not a video camera so what do we expect? For what it is, it's cheap, the colors and pic detail are impressive, the specs, overall, are great. Will make a useful B-camera/gimbal camera for pros, it's cheap entrée into decent 4k for those who cannot or will not spend the $$ for the FS7 or C300 MKII. I had one of the first GH4s, hated it and sold it so M43 for me is useless. Noisy, small sensor, terrible skin tones for the most part, no thanks. The X-T2 mitigates the GH4 tiny sensor and noise issues, the colors look briliant and we know that Fuji cameras have always nailed skin tones, perhaps even better than Canon although they are both so good, it probably comes down to personal preference more than anything else. Even with the battery grip, it's still cheap for what it is. The only things holding me back from going whole hog on one for my work would be going back to double system sound would suck, no NDs is a PITA and having to buy a whole new arsenal of lenses wouldn't make it a cheap endeavor. An impressive camera though from what I am seeing so far.
 
I had a Canon 5dmkii, then switched back to Nikon since I liked their color science and still capabilities more.

Recently switched to the Fuji Xpro2 after taking one for a test run.

The sharpness and color science, especially with their built in film stock emulation is quite remarkable.

I like that it is so much lighter and easier to bring with me than my D810 too. I end up taking more photos.

Recently sold the D810 body, next to go will be the Nikon glass.

I will get the Xt2 next, it will be a great companion for my Xpro2.
 
8 bit 4:2:0 log has been shown to be a bit of a stretch, so I can see why it only works through HDMI out where you are getting 4:2:2 and I think I read 10bit.
 
If the battery grip is essential then I would have liked to see a single XLR input worked into it. If these companies want to be innovative then they need to start with better audio imho. That would be a hook to get non-brand new users to possibly move to their system. At this point in time, if they all offer pretty much the same stuff then it's just another camera in the grand scheme of things.
 
To play Devil's advocate though Bassman, all of these DSLRs and mirrorless cameras have utter crap audio quality which has nothing to do with their input jacks. The audio quality on my C100 is surprisingly good, the Japanese have made some audio strides in pro video cameras since the days of noisy Betacams and the horrific audio quality of the Sony Mini DV and HDV cams. I've tested the Juicedlink and a few other DSLR audio interfaces over the years for my audio column in www.hdvideopro.com and no matter how good the interface, the intrinsic sound on DSLRs and mirrorless cameras is garbage. I shot a few PBS specials with my GH4 as an interview camera and the built in audio was useless except for syncing to the recorder audio. So while an XLR input on the handgrip would be convenient, I'd be willing to be the actual audio quality from the X-T2 would still be terrible, unless Fuji has secretly jazzed it up with real pre-amps and headphone monitoring circuitry. But at that price, I doubt that they have.
 
I think the preamps in the Sony mirrorless cameras are pretty good (A7RII, A7SII and A6300 from my experience.)
 
puredrifting said:
To play Devil's advocate though Bassman, all of these DSLRs and mirrorless cameras have utter crap audio quality which has nothing to do with their input jacks. The audio quality on my C100 is surprisingly good, the Japanese have made some audio strides in pro video cameras since the days of noisy Betacams and the horrific audio quality of the Sony Mini DV and HDV cams. I've tested the Juicedlink and a few other DSLR audio interfaces over the years for my audio column in www.hdvideopro.com and no matter how good the interface, the intrinsic sound on DSLRs and mirrorless cameras is garbage. I shot a few PBS specials with my GH4 as an interview camera and the built in audio was useless except for syncing to the recorder audio. So while an XLR input on the handgrip would be convenient, I'd be willing to be the actual audio quality from the X-T2 would still be terrible, unless Fuji has secretly jazzed it up with real pre-amps and headphone monitoring circuitry. But at that price, I doubt that they have.
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I agree in theory, but in practice any camera maker could put decent sounding preamps in a battery grip. Yes it would cost more but a battery grip is not a stills camera, it is an accessory which can be a lot more specialized. So they could make it specifically for pro video use and leave the cost of the stills camera alone. I see it as learning your market and seeing how some users want to use your product.

Sony has their XLR accessory as a hot shoe mount and sounds decent enough to use. I would like to see this move to other camera makers like Panasonic, Canon and Fuji as well.
 
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Couldn't care less about the video features, the XT-1 is a lovely little stills camera though, very nice to operate ergonomically, and great picture quality. The APS-C sensor makes it pretty handy as a viewfinder on set too. If the XT-2 refines that shooting experience further (ideally making everything a little bit faster (reviewing shots, startup time etc.) then it could be really nice.

As far as mirrorless cameras go, I think the Sony A7 series still have the edge over everyone operationally (control dials under your fingers and thumb, and the best EVF system going around), but the Fuji's are coming really close, and as the speed of the systems improve, they come closer and closer to the speed and ease of working with a Nikon pro DSLR (which to my mind remains the gold standard in terms of operational ergonomics).
 
NorBro said:
I think the preamps in the Sony mirrorless cameras are pretty good (A7RII, A7SII and A6300 from my experience.)
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Pretty good as compared to...? A real video camera, a Zoom H4n or a Sound Devices recorder? Have any links to good audio dependent clips that you know for a fact were recordings from the Sony mirrorless and not a high quality outoard recorder? I'd love to have my mind changed but from my own experience, all of the Canon, Nikon DSLRs and the GH4 all sound like garbage. If Sony has upped the audio game in their mirrorless, they really should publicize the hell out of that fact because even their pro camcorders sound bad to me and by judgement of specs. The Canons sound just usable but still not as good as a consumer $150.00 audio recorder much less a pro audio recorder.
 
I wasn't really comparing; just sharing that I thought the preamps sounded good in those cameras. I know you particularly don't like Sony, but if you ever rent one of the cameras above, I think you will be surprised with their sensitivity. No replacement for other hardware, but just saying.
 
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The Canons sound just usable but still not as good as a consumer $150.00 audio recorder much less a pro audio recorder.
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Were you talking about Canon DLSRs or also their video cameras? Speaking from experiences with both the C100 pre-amps are way better than the Zoom H4n pre-amps. I figure you have experience with both as well.

The Tascam DR-40 I have has better pre-amps than the Zoom H4n, but I still find the C100's pre-amps better than the Tascam DR-40. Now if we're talking Canon DSLRs, then yeah, the 5D has worse pre-amps than the Zoom H4n.
 
What I want to see is an F-log dynamic range comparison with, say, an a7S II. With an exposure ramp to make sure we see both highlights and shadows clipping on both cameras.
 
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What I want to see is an F-log dynamic range comparison with, say, an a7S II. With an exposure ramp to make sure we see both highlights and shadows clipping on both cameras.
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And I want to see resolution charts in all resolutions to look for moire, the XT1 looks OK on youtube, but when you really start looking at the images in real life the moire is pretty bad (especially at 60fps). I just don't trust that they really fixed this issue. The only samples we've seen thus far are all at UHD that was scaled down in a computer (or black and white).

Since I do currently own an XT1, I'm really hoping they have fixed the issues. But I did see a new issue come up... The XT2 is slightly bigger, and so is the grip. This puts the center of the lens way above 85mm so it can no longer sit at or close to the 15mm LWS standard. Yes adjustable matte boxes and follow focus are wonderful, but I hope that they may bring out a video bottom attachment for power in, headphones out, and an easy height to get the lens in the right location for the 15mm LWS standard. Maybe a Fuji cage that provides this with rod clamps at the correct height. Might need to try and reverse engineer something with pogo pins to connect to the camera.
 
Plenty of moire possibilities in this video, and I'm not seeing anything on my 4k monitor. So far the oversampling looks pretty good to me. And unlike every other Fuji, you can now dial down in-cam sharpness, along with other profile parameters. This camera certainly has my interest.

https://youtu.be/uEHQcGAjkgI
 
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Just tested four of my HD video cameras. EOS M, EOS 1DX, Sony CX900, and Fuji X-T1. The Fuji is by far the sharpest, with shallow DoF with the S35/APS-C sensor. It does show more moiré than any of the others. If Fuji can solve the moiré issue with it's X-Trans sensor in 4K, it'll be a winner.
 
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