NorBro
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I actually said it in honor of him...I used to give him a hard time about it myself, lol.
I don't know him personally, but he hasn't posted since November. I hope all is well.
Fujifilm X-H1 coming?
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I actually said it in honor of him...I used to give him a hard time about it myself, lol.
I don't know him personally, but he hasn't posted since November. I hope all is well.
NorBro
Major Contributor
Audio is never an issue anymore with DSLRs or mirrorless cameras (if a mic input is available) with devices like below:
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/prod...cro_pro_dxa_micro_pro_active_xlr_compact.html
I know it's another thing to buy, but it sits nicely under the camera and produces beautiful sound quality. It even provides you a second safety track when configured correctly.
puredrifting
Major Contributor
This should be interesting, I will be at the world rollout of this camera this week in LA on Thursday, will get hands-on with it and I will probably cover the event with the GH-5S that Panasonic has out to me right now. LMK if there are any questions you want me to ask the engineers and marketing people. Not sure if I'll get to shoot with it but I will definitely get to check it out.
Matt Gottshalk
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That is awesome Dan I look forward to your views on it.
The problem with internal audio is that many still record in AAC or some other compressed codec.
The only thing I want to know about is the presence of moire in each of the video modes. Toss it on a chart with a Zeiss 32mm or Fuji 35mm and see what happens. This is of course probably beyond what you are going to be able to do at this event. Otherwise all I need to know is when LensRentals will have one that I can rent to test with. I'll have to buy a V90 card, maybe I can rent that as well.
The only thing I want to know about is the presence of moire in each of the video modes. Toss it on a chart with a Zeiss 32mm or Fuji 35mm and see what happens. This is of course probably beyond what you are going to be able to do at this event. Otherwise all I need to know is when LensRentals will have one that I can rent to test with. I'll have to buy a V90 card, maybe I can rent that as well.
puredrifting
Major Contributor
I'll add to your first sentence, "..compressed codec and feature mic pre-amps and audio circuitry that sounds like it was purchased at a swap meet in Shenzen". Video capable DSLRs, M43 and mirrorless cameras have always had subpar audio chains since they have existed. All people inexplicably care about is video data rate, video bit-rate and video toys, they don't really care about audio, even though it is vastly more important. Here we are years later and manufacturers still scrimp in audio quality. Why is that? Because buyers are either clueless about audio or just don't care. If they did, we'd have cameras like this with mic pre-amps built by Sound Devices and D/A and A/D convertors built by Apogee with built in XLR connections. If buyers demanded quality audio, we'd have it.
I'll see what I can discover about moire. You have it right, they probably won't let us do more than just point the prototypes at a pre-lit model or NAB-like setup. Probably won't be able to shoot and take any footage and I doubt there will be any test charts available to shoot.
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puredrifting
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On my list of questions. Also, full AF functionality and face tracking in 4K?
If you see anyone from LensRentals, ask them how soon they will have this for testing or rental. I got bit by the X-T1 firmware that claimed the video was perfect, and bought one. It's been a good stills camera, but nothing I would use for video due to the moire that I found when I tested it. I will not jump onto another Fuji camera for video without good testing. For still I have no problem, but if I'm only going to get good stills out of it, then a used XT2 would be a better choice for me. Especially since the T1 is still working for my stills needs.
puredrifting
Major Contributor
A good friend and client of mine has the X-T2 and we've used it as a gimbal camera and b-camera on a few shoots. Great colorimetry, nice images but there is still some moire, especially in UHD. Not sure if it's less moire than your X-T1 but it's there if you look for it. I'll ask about this new camera to see if they improved that. Still dislike the form factor and the almost ignoring of quality audio in all of these cameras but it seems like camera companies will never "get it" with audio, we'll always have to record to external recorders if we care about audio quality and actually listen. I was editing some dialog yesterday from my C200, which is a step up in quality from any DSLR/Mirrorless camera and still, when I was listening to it loud on my Genelec 1030bs and subwoofer, it didn't really have very good sound quality, I'd describe it as barely usable when compared with a Sound Devices recorder.
The X-T1 was (in my opinion) unusable in the 60fps modes and still not really there is the 30 and 24fps modes. Here is the thread https://www.fujix-forum.com/threads/moire.37944/
NorBro
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The X-E3 is the newest Fuji camera (that's currently available) and it has pretty good touchscreen face-detection in 4K...I'd expect the same or better from this new camera.
As far as HDMI specs, probably not much. I'm assuming 8-bit 4:2:2 at best, which is what everyone is doing around this price point besides Panasonic with the GH5/S.
As far as HDMI specs, probably not much. I'm assuming 8-bit 4:2:2 at best, which is what everyone is doing around this price point besides Panasonic with the GH5/S.
puredrifting
Major Contributor
Adding these to my list of questions for Fujinon. Thanks. I'm interested in how good new IBIS will be. I am also interested in why Fujinon has two medium end cine lenses in X-mount when there are only consumer X mount cameras like this one? I can't imagine people who buy a $1,900.00 mirrorless are going to pony up $4k or more for a cine lens. Maybe Fujinon will do what I have been begging them to do for years, make a real digital cinema camera? Maybe for NAB? They are capable of making a C200/EVA 1/FS5 competitor at $7k to $10k, wish they would do it. Imagine having F-log, high data rates, plus all of those beautiful film emulation modes, in a package with XLRs, time code, built-in NDs, etc. They could totally learn from the shortcomings of the three cameras I mentioned and make something superior at the same price point and I think it would sell as Fujinon has a brilliant reputation for lenses and the name is well-established with us cinematographers who shot lots of Fuji film back in the day. X-Mount stills lenses for those who are cheap and the new cine lenses, which are really affordable and nice for those who want to shoot film style, no different than the Canon stills lenses and the CNE Servo zooms on Canon.
Fingers crossed. Don't think it will happen but it still leaves me with the strategic head-scratching, why go through the hassle of making cine lenses in X mount if they're not going to introduce a digital cinema camera?
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I've been wondering the same thing. I had hoped that those cine lenses were a precursor to a Fuji cinema camera line.
I'm attending a meeting/demo with Fuji next week, I'll ask about that also. Maybe if enough people bug the reps they'll realize that htere's demand
puredrifting
Major Contributor
I've been wondering the same thing. I had hoped that those cine lenses were a precursor to a Fuji cinema camera line.
I'm attending a meeting/demo with Fuji next week, I'll ask about that also. Maybe if enough people bug the reps they'll realize that htere's demand
I'll definitely bug them about it. There is a degree of complacency and possible cartel collusion between Canon, Sony and Panasonic, they need a new Japanese player to upset their apple cart. We are the winners if there is a new kid in the game. I cannot see how the X-H1 is any more a cine camera than the X-T2 was/is. It has a new cinema film emulation preset, that's about it as far as the camera being more "cinematic". The IBIS and increased data rate isn't more cinematic. We all know that a shoulder mounted layout with all of the pro connections is what's needed. They should also skip the proprietary battery thing and just go with V-Mount or AB Gold mount, either one. XLRs, BNCs, for output with or without LUTs applied. Looking at the shortcomings of the C200, EVA 1 and the FS 5, it seems as if it would be pretty simple to engineer a $6k to $8k digital cinema model that surpasses all three. Think about how many more lenses and cine zooms they would sell.
puredrifting
Major Contributor
Bah! As much a cinema camera as the Sony A6500. Not very much.
Just looking at what's going on with Nikon supports that view. Rested on their laurels for too long, and got blindsided by Sony's mirrorless line.
It's a stills camera with a video mode... like the rest. Sigh.
I think you're right; I'd expect a rather warm reception if Fuji developed a cinema camera.
No need to specify a battery mount, there is one of three standard hole patterns that a battery mount attaches with, all they need to do is fit the mount. Then the user can decide between V or AB mount and screw it to the back/side of the camera.
A decent camera design is a small rectangle, something that allows a riser with rod mounts and sticks to the standards that we have for rod systems. This pretty much means they need to hit the 15LWS system which is 85mm from lens center line to rod center line. then make the rest of the box fit the connectors, and maybe make the back fit that same standard for the height. Mount viewfinder to a rod on the top or on top handle. If possible connectors should be located on the rear next to the battery and facing backwards behind the camera, not to the side. Might need a pod back there to hold them. VF connectors should probably be up front near where the VF is going to connect.
And it should use full size BNC connectors, any of the smaller things are a real pain to make (high density BNC and DIN).
A decent camera design is a small rectangle, something that allows a riser with rod mounts and sticks to the standards that we have for rod systems. This pretty much means they need to hit the 15LWS system which is 85mm from lens center line to rod center line. then make the rest of the box fit the connectors, and maybe make the back fit that same standard for the height. Mount viewfinder to a rod on the top or on top handle. If possible connectors should be located on the rear next to the battery and facing backwards behind the camera, not to the side. Might need a pod back there to hold them. VF connectors should probably be up front near where the VF is going to connect.
And it should use full size BNC connectors, any of the smaller things are a real pain to make (high density BNC and DIN).