FS7: Fs7 w/ARRI Mini Matte Box 1

JPNola

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Some photos of the Fs7 paired with the Arri MMB-1.


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[ yeah, my shotgun mic is doing a wheelie again. Should have sussed that out before taking the pics. ]




One thing I found in shopping for a matte box is that rarely do manufacturers or sellers provide the dimensions of the matte boxes. Other than photos where there is some reference to gauge scale, it is a guessing game as to how the different offerings compare in size. The product images of the matte boxes photographed in isolation lack the scale necessary to gain a sense of size. It would be great if someone with access to many different matte boxes would take a photo of the different offerings lined up in a row. That way we could all see how large the Chrosziel Cine 1 is compared to the Bright Tangerine Misfit compared to the O'Box compared to the Vocas compared to the Tilta, etc. ( Is there a B and H employee reading this who can you make this happen? )

As you can see from the photos above, I ended up going with the Arri MMB-1. My reasons, not necessarily ordered by importance, were: build quality, the bang for the buck, design ( the side loading tray that eliminates shotgun mic obstruction ), personal taste as to the aesthetics, and, admittedly, the provenance of the ARRI brand and the professional image that ARRI gear projects to those in the know ( the snob factor, to be frank. And anything to possibly justify higher day rate. :Drogar-BigGrin(DBG) )

I did not place a premium on light-weight. The ARRI MMB-1 is heavy compared to the competition in this product niche. The weight of the matte box is another spec that is rarely provided by manufacturers or sellers. But I knew going in that, being ARRI, the MMB-1 was going to be of tank-like build and heavier than other mid-size, or "mini", matte boxes. Erwin Rommel would approve of this thing. It's solid. I can already see myself obtaining a more light-weight minimalist matte box in the future. For that the Movcam's new MM4 looks to be a good candidate. Particularly at $590.00. At that price it's almost a "throw-away" matte box that you use in rough situations. ( no weight or dimensions listed on B & H product page for the Movcam MM4. See what I mean? I would go to the Movcam website but my browser is warning "This site may be hacked." and even when, living dangerously, I clicked the link it took me to some page selling athletic shoes. Wtf? )

Oh, and just to ensure that you are given more damn info than you could ever have wanted regarding someone's matte box setup:

I'm using the Bright Tangerine rubberized donut, the "Black Hole". At 143mm it fits the ARRI MMB-1. It won't fit the ARRI MMB-2 as the MMB-2 has a smaller rear diameter. That ability of the MMB-1 to use Bright Tangerine's rubberized donut, as opposed to the cloth-type "nun's knickers" from ARRI, was one reason I stepped up to the MMB-1 instead of going with the lighter weight and smaller MMB-2. The pictured Sony 18-105mm doesn't trombone when focusing or zooming- I could have used a solid step-down ring but the flexible rubber "bellow" is handy.

Not pictured is the Garden Designs eyebrow w/side flags that came with my Ebay-purchased MMB-1. The aluminum flag that ARRI pairs with the MMB-1 is, as a RedUser contributor put it, "ridiculously huge". With those thin-edged aluminum matte box flags I am worried that they could be a liability. They are sharp-edged enough to cut someone. Not something you want to have on the front of your rig when shooting low in and amongst a group of children or just shooting handheld in a crowd of people. The Gardner Designs top flag is made of plastic ( coreplast ) and thicker-edged-



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I first saw David's pieces on feature film sets back in the 1990's. He incorporates some clever and useful features that even to this day no one else is offering. Check out his work:

http://www.davidgardendesigns.com
 
Some photos of the Fs7 paired with the Arri MMB-1.




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One thing I found in shopping for a matte box is that rarely do manufacturers or sellers provide the dimensions of the matte boxes. Other than photos where there is some reference to gauge scale, it is a guessing game as to how the different offerings compare in size....
..As you can see from the photos above, I ended up going with the Arri MMB-1.

I really like your config, especially the funnel like interface between the box and the lens. That's been my main issue is finding a box that would accommodate the front end of the lens. Is this funnel pliable enough to move with the focus barrel some lens display when either zooming or focusing?
 
I really like your config, especially the funnel like interface between the box and the lens. That's been my main issue is finding a box that would accommodate the front end of the lens. Is this funnel pliable enough to move with the focus barrel some lens display when either zooming or focusing?
It's called a donut. And yes, it moves as the lens extends.
 
The MMB-2 (which is very similar) has been a solid performer for me. I've just added the LMB-25 (a three stage version) recently, and it really is an order of magnitude nicer (pricier too though!).
 
It's called a donut. And yes, it moves as the lens extends.

Generally donuts are hard plastic rings or neoprene which set the matte box hole size(s) to the front element of your lens set. With my B4 lenses I tended to use a black hair scrunchy as my wide angle and standard had different diameters. With my stills lenses I have step up rings screwed in which set them all to 77mm (I'm a Nikon user), but the scrunchy would be too intrusive.

As such, I use a Bright Tangerine 'Black Hole' which, looking at the photos, is what is being used here. It works really well - it's just thin stretchy rubber so goes on any of my stills lenses without blocking the focus ring and allows for varied diameters. I also have a hard 77mm donut, but frankly that never gets used.

The only thing I found was that if I changed lens with a filter already in the tray (i.e. pulled the donut over from the lens side) it had a tendency to pop off the ring that held it on the matte box. Without a filter I push it on through the matte box no problem. A bit of clear silicon sealant has sorted that out.

I would recommend Bright Tangerine if someone is looking at matteboxes. Can be scary expensive, but built to last and with some really well thought out features. I can change mine from being a three-tray swing away to one tray with lightweight support, plus I have a little addon which lets me tilt the whole unit back or forward to get rid of narcissus flare when using filters under high contrast such as sunsets,

Ben
 
The gotcha is the filter trays. Few of them can take a 5mm thick polarizer filter.

And the manufacturers don't go into that on the product pages. No info as to what thickness filter the tray can accommodate.

Bright T website doesn't specify. Arri website doesn't specify.

Add that, along with the dimensions of the matte boxes, to the list of info they fail to provide.

But that is why we have each other, right? So...in your experience which make of trays / matte boxes can take the 5mm filters?


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I really like that LMB-25 but, gulp, the price! Would one of you LMB-25 owners be so kind as to measure the spacing of the receivers for the eyebrow / flag / "light shield". I want to know if it will also fit the MMB-1.

Something about a matte box that just says 'high-end', no? A matte box and an eye piece chamois. Great for fooling clients into thinking you know what the hell you are doing. :happy:
 
I haven't found any that specifically handle 5mm thick glass filters. The Fotga DP3000 looks to be just a tad under 3mm. Some others I've looked at specify 4mm.

Presently, I'm looking into the option of modifying my filter tray to fit the thicker glass. Without a CNC machine, it's not going to be fun, or pretty.
 
I was torn between the WC matte box and the ARRI MMB-1. For the price the Wooden Camera matte box is feature-packed, well thought out, and from the looks of it quite well built. The NATO rail on the WC matte box is a nice touch for a matte box in any price range, particularly so for a matte box in more of the "budget" price range.

I rank Wooden Camera products up there with Chrosziel and Arri products in build quality. I have my eye on the Wooden Camera D-box. I'm using Olivine batts and they lack a D-tap. And my Sound guy would love my rig to have Lemo power outs. The USB power spigot is pretty cool as well.
 
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