Haven't had much time to play with it yet, but did some quick tests out to an Inferno, internal, kit lens and 3 nikkor G/E lenses with active(ish) adapter. Down point was realizing that the low light performance is still noisy as the mark 1, which I knew it was going to be the same, but still disappointing after having used a D850 for shooting recently. Also had one shot that had horizontal striped banding, but I'm quite sure that was due to the installed LED ambient light in my edit bay. High point was realizing that the Venice color profile is quite nice for internal recording, and is something that I could happily use for shoots where I don't want to bother shooting log/raw for quick turnaround without having to do much color correction for a nice image out of the box similar to shooting an altered WideDR Canon profile. Now if Sony could release a paid FS5m2 firmware update to allow higher bitrates internal and an intra-frame codec, I'd support that even if it doesn't quite match the FS7's capabilities. Mostly I think I'll be shooting ProRes Raw to my Inferno (c'mon Adobe), but it's really nice to have the option of an internal 10-bit 4:2:2 HD image that can handle both log2/3 and for fast turnaround a really nice color science option on a Sony. I wasn't even factoring the Venice color into my puchase decision as I was expecting to shoot all log, but now that it's there I'm glad to have it as a bonus.
FS5: FS5 mark 2 arrived yesterday
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dmitrizigany
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But... how is that black ND Filter knob???
Asking the hard questions! Not holding back your punches at all.
dmitrizigany
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I’m still so unbelievably disappointed in the “mkII” of the FS5... was so ready to buy it... until it turned out it just had a black knob as improvement. I do like black though, so it’s not that it’s a bad thing. But as the only thing it’s a bit underwhelming
dmitrizigany
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Sony has already stated that 10bit 4K is for next gen FS5, so that won’t happen. Sorry, forgot where I heard it, but one of the videos about the FS5 from NAB or cinegear. Don’t think the FS5 has the internal bandwidth to do it.
Only thing that would make me get the FS5 now if there would be a 5” (or even monitorless) recorder that could record the raw output of the FS5...
I really really want an FS5 formfactor camera though so don’t get me wrong, it’s just that I can’t justify the expense upgrading from my FS700 as it is. Had the mkII just offered a few more improvements that could have tipped that scale though, which is why I’m so disappointed in the mkII
sleekmedia
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atomos screwed up on the ninja V with no sdi ports.
You know, I didn't initially purchase the FS5m2 for the hardware upgrades, but now that I have it in hand I have to say I'm quite pleased with the black ND knob. It's quite impressive in person and it really adds a lot to the overall experience when filming vs the FS5.
alaskacameradude
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Sony has already stated that 10bit 4K is for next gen FS5, so that won’t happen. Sorry, forgot where I heard it, but one of the videos about the FS5 from NAB or cinegear. Don’t think the FS5 has the internal bandwidth to do it.
Only thing that would make me get the FS5 now if there would be a 5” (or even monitorless) recorder that could record the raw output of the FS5...
I really really want an FS5 formfactor camera though so don’t get me wrong, it’s just that I can’t justify the expense upgrading from my FS700 as it is. Had the mkII just offered a few more improvements that could have tipped that scale though, which is why I’m so disappointed in the mkII
I'm in the same boat. I want an FS5 form factor camera. But of course I want Sony to put in the
codecs from the FS7, and the the 6k (downscaled to 4K) sensor, autofocus, and 5 axis stabilizer from
the A6500. I'd pay a good bit for that camera
Originally I was thinking the same as you.....thatI would not upgrade to an FS5 ii unless a 5' (or monitories) recorder came out that could record the Sony raw.
Something like the Atmos V, recording to ProRes raw, but with a SDI port. But then I got to thinking.....if
I'm going to use an external recorder anyways, and something like that comes out, I might just get the
recorder, continue to use my FS700....and wait for the FS5 iii to come out and hope it has codecs that you
won't need the external recorder for.
dmitrizigany
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I would even be happy if they put an A7III (or what would be A7SIII) in an FS5 body, even if it had 8bit and no raw!
The FS700 + O7Q is getting to cumbersome to use for what I’m doing, so most likely my next cam will be A7SIII if that comes out soon + Ninja V. And use that until FS5III arrive...
The FS700 + O7Q is getting to cumbersome to use for what I’m doing, so most likely my next cam will be A7SIII if that comes out soon + Ninja V. And use that until FS5III arrive...
alaskacameradude
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Yeah, it's just that I have a really hard time shooting without inbuilt ND's.....and the variable electronic
ND is even better than the '3 stage' ND's that most cinema cameras have built in. But I did a shoot
yesterday with my FS700 and A6000. Just so much easier when going 'off that sticks' to shoot with
the little mirrorless camera, because it's tiny, can be handheld easily and is pretty light and compact.
They need to put a variable ND in that camera as well.
I agree, even I'd be keen on the Ninja V as a small recorder for my Sony PMW-F3
Can only assume there is a Samurai V in the works? (like there was with a Samurai Blade vs a Ninja Blade, I personally use a Samurai Blade at the moment)
sleekmedia
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I definitely could see a Samurai V at some point. I think atomos did not add SDI ports to the Ninja V because it would have immediately made their shogun inferno worthless to most FS5 / FS700 users which are their primary markets for that device and not to mention one of their most expensive models. I own one and would have abandoned it immediately for a Ninja V with SDI's. Sales for Shogun Inferno would have gone to ZERO. The ninja V in my mind was instead targeted at the GH5 crowd who want to record 10-bit prores raw via HDMI.
As for FS5iii or FS9 or whatever the next generation may be for the FS5/FS7 's I think we are going to see that its going to be a while, and by a while I mean at least another 2 years. The FS7 is still pretty much the industry standard (they don't seem to be going anywhere) and the only way to make big improvements on that camera is going to push it into the realm of Red Camera cost if we get real deal improvements in dynamic range, maximum resolution, or frame rates.
The next Sony camera in my opinion is going to be the A7Siii. It has not been updated in how many years? It's one hell of a camera (especially in low-light) in a DSLR form factor that gives you autofocus and in body stabilization. Who does that appeal to? 90% of prosumers and indie filmakers which is a much more attractive and larger market than the people like us that are willing to spend 10-20k on a camera. Just browse youtube today and see how popular Vlogging is. Sony will absolutely put something out soon to compete with the GH5 and the Canon 1DXMII.
My guess is A7Siii with a 5k-6k sensor (since this resolution is already achievable in still images with a7rii / a7riii so it is just a matter of mapping out the right codec to retain that information). Its all about more K's right lol ? It is going to have great auto-focus, low-noise, have the ability to record pro-res raw to recorders, and im guessing 5k-6k/30p, 4k/60p, and 2k/120p
and YES it is going to piss us FS7 / FS5 owners off.
The FUTURE is small form factors.
My 2 cents
As for FS5iii or FS9 or whatever the next generation may be for the FS5/FS7 's I think we are going to see that its going to be a while, and by a while I mean at least another 2 years. The FS7 is still pretty much the industry standard (they don't seem to be going anywhere) and the only way to make big improvements on that camera is going to push it into the realm of Red Camera cost if we get real deal improvements in dynamic range, maximum resolution, or frame rates.
The next Sony camera in my opinion is going to be the A7Siii. It has not been updated in how many years? It's one hell of a camera (especially in low-light) in a DSLR form factor that gives you autofocus and in body stabilization. Who does that appeal to? 90% of prosumers and indie filmakers which is a much more attractive and larger market than the people like us that are willing to spend 10-20k on a camera. Just browse youtube today and see how popular Vlogging is. Sony will absolutely put something out soon to compete with the GH5 and the Canon 1DXMII.
My guess is A7Siii with a 5k-6k sensor (since this resolution is already achievable in still images with a7rii / a7riii so it is just a matter of mapping out the right codec to retain that information). Its all about more K's right lol ? It is going to have great auto-focus, low-noise, have the ability to record pro-res raw to recorders, and im guessing 5k-6k/30p, 4k/60p, and 2k/120p
and YES it is going to piss us FS7 / FS5 owners off.
The FUTURE is small form factors.
My 2 cents
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alaskacameradude
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I actually think you are probably right. Interesting though that they are afraid to
improve the FS5 too much for fear of intruding on the FS7.....yet at the same time
they are not as afraid of improving the mirrorless cameras too much for fear of
intruding on FS5 (or FS7) space. Probably because they can keep the 10bit
codecs and internal variable NDs out of the mirrorless cams. But with a possible
small recorder that can take the output and record it to ProRes raw, I could actually
see people abandoning the 'old tech' in the FS5/7 in favor of the newer tech (better
sensors, higher rez, better frame rates, IBIS, autofocus, etc) that the mirrorless cams have.