For the love of god, don't use Cine-like Matrix!

[djrockadoo]

Wow, what a difference. Only in an outdoor overtly bright scene could I not see a very noticeable increase in image noise. Barry has already told everyone but I just wanted to reiterate the fact, Cine-like Matrix has to be the single most noise inducing setting you can have on, and it just so happens the camera ships with it on.

For Gamma its not nearly as bad. Cine-D, like always, is pretty indispensable if you like to do much post color work and of course B.press and Cine-V "crush" the noise out artificially even more....

but back to that Cine-like matrix one more time, I'd almost swear its actually introducing more noise than is actually there otherwise.

I implore you to put gaff tape right on the rectangle area of your LCD where you'd see that setting and forget about its existence.

Camera pretty much rips by the way... never appreciate the 14-140 till i put it on here

 

[Barry_Green]

I don't know that I'd go quite as far as your message title says...

But definitely, the matrices can have a significant impact on the appearance of noise. NORM2 is far and away the cleanest, and CINE is the noisiest. But CINE has a distinct look to it that may make it the right choice, it all depends on how you want your shot to look.

If you want utterly noiseless footage, combine the NORM2 matrix with low detail settings, a bit of coring, B.Press or CINE-V gamma, and a slightly lower master pedestal. But, there are many valid looks out there, and all the settings are appropriate for certain things and not so much for others, so definitely experiment...

 

[Admir]

Try to combine B press with Cine like matrix, detail coring at +2, and master ped at -2, after a lot of testing this is by far my favorite setting. It gives you a cine like image, while keeping the noise away, plus giving you nice blacks that dosen't look washed out... Personally, I don't see any difference between Cine D and B press more than that there is less noise on B press

 

[ZazaCast]

...remember, we are like snowflakes...no two people see the same (thank God).

 

[djrockadoo]

B press definitely starts being noticeably crushed in low light situations. But your right, average well lit, out door, pretty similar.

 

[Steve Kahn]

The crazy thing is that on a high end production monitor the noise is just not that bad from Cine-Like matrix as compared to Norm2.

I shot some green screen tests at my friend's production studio and went via HD-SDI into a high end production monitor and compared Cine-Like VS Norm2 and I saw a teeny bit more noise, nothing extreme. My producer friend is a pixel-peeper maniac and he didn't even notice when I switched to Cine-Like matrix on any of the monitors.

Now, I know what people have said about Norm2 being clean and Cine-Like not. I have even tested that on a THX certified Panasonic Plasma and the noise was more apparent than on a production monitor, though I then went back and did a black balance and you know, a lot of the noise just went away.

So I don't know the answer. If you shoot Cine-Like and then find it too noisy in post can you crush blacks or eliminate it in some other way?

One thing for certain... if you see an inordinate amount of noise - BLACK BALANCE! That is a good habit to get into.


EDIT: Also, IIRC Timur used Cine-Line matrix with Cine-Like D throughout and everyone remarked how clean it was.