Five minute short shot with HVX200

I'm arriving late to this thread, but I wanted to say that I think this is an awesome example of the potential of the HVX200. Regarding all the *NOISE OH MY GOD*, look at the video again at half size. The data rate for 1280x720 is WAY low at 3Mbs. Way too low to avoid artifacts from hell.

Awesome job!! Brillant colors and skilled lighting etc etc.
 
Rodrigo said:
emanuel, me too believes that you are exaggerating the noise issue... I don't think the pana is noisy at all
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Barry_Green said:
You are definitely exaggerating the noise issue; the Panasonic is about equivalent in noise to the Canon and lower in noise than the JVC.
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I'd like too. My problem with the images that I had possibility to watch is that chroma noise (I can even follow that it's necessary if we want to have those nice filmic colors such as we find in this cam and give us unique skin tones, for instance) comparatively other noises (JVC or Canon -- more luma, however, near by film grainy, at least IMHO).

My hope -- posts like this one from Steev:
holyzoo said:
Regarding all the *NOISE OH MY GOD*, look at the video again at half size. The data rate for 1280x720 is WAY low at 3Mbs. Way too low to avoid artifacts from hell.
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Or as I said, perhaps DVCPRO-HD can handle natively quite different (and the matter just can be that it's not the best codec to web delivery or straight compression).

My second hope -- those settings that I've seen until now, it is yet far away from the REAL HVX performance. Is there anyone that can to try the settings that you post to us, Barry? LINK
 
I certainly hope so too. I have in the past, but maybe I'll just shoot video of a guy taking a crap.. and then have it say.. taking a crap in HD. How's that? Whatever I aim to do just fine. I've won my awards already, been screwed by Holywood, and now it's all just for me. Whatever I want to do. that Im passionate about, is what I do and I hope that others like it as well.




Kholi said:
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I hope you have something worthy of EITHER camera, fella. Seriously.
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I love the ambiguity and the elevated position you take on these posts. What cameras don't give you noise or grain under bad lighting? Maybe you are blessed and God lights your scenes.. in between all of the funny faces you seem to love.

Emanuel said:
Not all...not all...

Sorry, I even figure out your point but it's not so black & white. Unfortunately or I must say :thumbsup: by fortune?... or :evil: maybe not so by fortune... :engel017:
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You are wrong, my fellow...regarding low lighting and not bad lighting (or any low lighting does it mean bad photography/cinematography?...are you sure?! Really?...), as well, your POV about a person that you REALLY don't know... At least, I use to ask first.

It seems to me a déjà vu or am I wrong?
Justyn said:
I love the ambiguity and the elevated position you take on these posts. What cameras don't give you noise or grain under bad lighting? Maybe you are blessed and God lights your scenes.. in between all of the funny faces you seem to love.
Emanuel said:
Not all...not all...

Sorry, I even figure out your point but it's not so black & white. Unfortunately or I must say :thumbsup: by fortune?... or :evil: maybe not so by fortune... :engel017:
Justyn said:
This noise at low light issue is nonsense. Everything in low-light is going to give you noise or grain.
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holyzoo said:
Example of how 720p should be web compressed:

http://www.holyzoo.com/content/hvx200/video/subtleness_QT7_1280x720_10M.mov

p.s. This is compressed from raw HVX200 footage.
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Okay WTF. That clip looked fantastic. ZERO noise. I have kept silent over the noise issue, even though it scared the crap out of me. I HATE noise. It is by far the least attractive thing about video. I know that even Hollywood DVDs have noise, but in my mind I know that's it's the mpeg2 encoding.

The clip from holyzoo looks really good. I like to shoot with lots of shadows and that clip had plenty. The blacks had zero noise. The bedroom stuff in the 48hr short looked like it was gained on the day.

The only thing with the holyzoo clip is the slight stutter on the move. Was the shutter at 1/24? I personally don't like using 1/24 on the DVX, it seemed to slur a bit too much for me. I like it just a bit quicker. Maybe it will be the same for the HVX. I know most film cameras shoot at 1/24 but for some reason you don't see the blur as much as in video at the same shutter speed.

That clip certainly makes me feel better.

Cheers,
Chris
 
Thanks Steev! But do you remember that problem with us@PC_side?

It's sad but all the footage that I could see is unfortunately non-native, not even m2t like the Kaku's XL-H1 previous ones...
 
Emanuel said:
Thanks Steev! But do you remember that problem with us@PC_side?

It's sad but all the footage that I could see is unfortunately non-native, not even m2t like the Kaku's XL-H1 previous ones...
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Oh yeah, now I remember. I hadn't reallized that a lot of this stuff has been unseen. There are a LOT of examples of low noise in dark environments. It has made me realize that the noise you have all seen is from +Gain in the camera. :O Man, talk about mass panic over nuthin.
 
Yup!...but if you can help us with other examples of low noise in dark footage@0db it would be gold...

...would it be possible?

...'cause we are in Europe and maybe only to March/April we will have a hands-on approach...

...there is also a problem with raising decision that we must take/make in order to any investment to 2006 (March/April is already 2Q, so maybe to 2007 investments...); if you can help us...can you?
 
Thank you very much Steev! By now, I'm@dial-up but tonight here@gmt I will be@broadband. If you can post others it will be always so much appreciated. Thanks again for the help. Europe is a little bit out of the HVX launchment circuit by now and all of your posts are very hopeful. I can even confess that I have a files folder@my PC with your name for your relevant and useful posts. :thumbsup:
 
Great stuff Steev! I'm grateful. Well, I have a problem. I need to have a purchase decision not only regarding two units but also for to several pieces of equipment, new NLE, etc. I'm not alone. We are three partners more three patrons that come silent around here and give me the echo of their opinions. Until now not so favourable to our HVX. Unfortunately. And we cannot to loose this HD timing. I have some projects that are waiting but it's impossible to delay more than one year, since last NAB.

That's why I must need answers before the HVX arrival here and my decision is not a sole one. I beg you to you Steev if you can help us with more clips like these. You are right! We need for examples of how 1080p or 720p should be web compressed from raw DVCPRO-HD native where the data rate is a decisive factor.

Because we tried to download the Kaku's Mac files and to transfer them to PC side without the same results than you have. Why? I don't know! They told me that's the quicktime codec. Well, to me it's the same. I just need some clips with an acceptable level of noise like this one in order to convince my partners to HVX direction. We will test it@film-out, probably. But we must choose a maximum of only 3/4 cams to it:

[options]
Z1U
HD100
HVX
XL-H1
F330
Infinity
HD7000 if available

My love? Well, that one that give us the best image to our purposes. But concerning the specifications and all the time here@yours, I'd like for a HVX purchase -- handheld as I like it.

Is it possible your help once more?

Thanks in advance!

<PS> As I said, your work@here it's so much appreciated. One sole example? Dan's MPIC stuff.
 
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